430 F1 1st gear problem

Recommend doing a system flush and bleed as well as clutch relearn. Then reset the PIS if needed. I had a similar problem but after doing the flush/bleed and relearn I haven’t had the issue.

 

Agree!

 

What is a Clutch Relearn, and how is it accomplished?
I'm working on the F1 bleed and the PIS adjustment in the next couple of weeks; I'd love to understand the clutch relearn as well.

 

I'd like to know this as well. The e-gear lamborghinis have a procedure for doing this (pull both paddles, and then you do a few more things and its "adjusts" the distances between the clutch and the flywheel). I was under the impression there was nothing similar for the f1 transmissions and that setting the PIS was the only "adjustment" available.

 

a quick search nets this thread, which isn't helpful, but is ABSOLUTELY worth the short read, haha.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/f430-f1-reset.466024/

 

The procedure in the thread linked above is basically the well-known procedure for doing a "soft reset" of the clutch in an egear lambo, which as we know is pretty similar to our f1 systems. As things wear the clearances and tolerances between the clutch plate and pressure disc (not sure of terminology) change and this procedure "adjusts" things back to a closer tolerance so everything works better/quicker/smoother.

I think that the poster in that thread linked above is trying to say that his mechanic told him to pull both paddles and then continue to hold them for some period of time, and then wait for the beep, and if you do that, you have done a "soft reset" without having to use a computer. I'm going to give it a try tonight to see if I get the beep and the light. If I do, my conclusion is going to be that this procedure does in fact "do something" (what it does, I'm not sure, but it can't hurt...maybe the beep and light is just the car telling you "hey idiot, you don't have to hold both paddles that long to put it in neutral!").

 

The Launch Pro Mini has a clutch relearn function. I can’t say definitively what it does but performing that along with an F1 flush and bleed made a significant difference in how my F1 system worked. Much smoother, eliminated the “flare” I was getting on higher throttle shifts and made the shifts seamless. It also eliminated the occasional shudder I was getting on first gear takeoffs when cold.

 

Did you also adjust your PIS with the Launch? or does this "relearn" function do something with that too?
I haven't looked for that function, but I assume I'll be able to navigate around and find it.

 

I didn’t have to reset the PIS as the system was perfect after the relearn and flush/bleed. That was almost a year ago (and about 1K miles). I’ve tried finding exactly what the relearn function does but no luck yet.

 

Not sure if the x431 does ( internal procedure) what the SD does but this ( attached) is what the function does on the SD on certain TCUs

 

He forgot to mention the WSM admonition to, prior to entering the vehicle, click your heels and say "There's no place like first!".

Ray

 

you do recognize the clutch has to be replaced every 30k and that depends how you drive it .YOU NEED A NEW CLUTCH .

 

Possible. Clutches last 10K to over 50K depending on who is driving them and your terrain. AND the % reading is notoriously inaccurate so you can't really depend on it.

 

Alright gents, strictly for science and for the good of the community, I tried the "poor man's" clutch reset (i.e., for those that don't have an autel/launch/leonardo). So as suggested in a different thread I started the car (after waiting for "Ok" of course), foot on the brake, pulled both paddles to put it in neutral and instead of releasing I held them in the pulled position. Within about 5-7 seconds the car beeped and the little red oil can (f1) icon flashed. I then release the paddles, put it in first and drove away.

And guess what, engagement from a dead stop in first gear did seem to be improved. My car has always had a very slight "judder" when pulling away from a stop, and now its basically gone. I thought maybe I was just paying more attention and perhaps the car being cold was making it less noticeable, so I drove around for 30 minutes with lots of stop and go. Still engages from a stop better than it did! At this point I really don't think its "placebo effect" or just my wishful imagination. I think this did in fact "re-learn" or adjust something. Give it a shot and report back if you feel the same! Maybe I'm wrong but the change was pretty apparent in my car. Good luck!

 

I'll give it a shot. I'll check the PIS first with my Launch, try this, then check it again. We'll get some hard data.

Ray

 

I did the clutch relearn on my F430 after a bleed and reservoir refill. I used my Launch and followed the prompts on it. There were several clunking noises coming from the back of the car during the relearn process. I’m assuming that was the clutch adjusting itself.
I remember a prompt on the Launch that directed me to turn off the function before too long so damage doesn’t occur. I’m just mentioning it so everyone knows to keep an eye out for that.


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Ferrari has a hill climb and low speed maneuver mode in the F1 system, but that requires you to be in 1st or reverse and pull the left paddle back until you get a beep. Supposed to be easier on the clutch and I use it up my really steep driveway. Wonder if this is another mode that was not well documented or if it is getting you into the same mode with both paddles back in neutral. Will have to give it a try.

 

Please report back after you guys try it! I just drove my car again and it definitely takes off smoother now. I think we may be on to something that may not be well documented. At least I couldn't find any documentation. But it is well documented in the e-gear world so it makes sense we may have a similar procedure.

 

I didn't know about this ..do Scuderias have as well ?

This would be good for getting on four post lift etc

Thanks

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Dominick- I do not have much Scuderia tech data, but should be easy to try. Could be the later Superfast II systems do not need it, but it is handy. F430s and Scuderias do not suffer from the very high reverse gear of the 360 and 575M.

 

Terry thanks

I will try it the next time I take her out which may be a few months



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Dominick- Forgot about the northern blues you guys suffer. Snowed here today, about 12 flakes.

 

Who knew the guys at Maranello like to plant Easter eggs?

Ray

 

Ray

Does that work on your scud

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