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  1. flash32

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    Hello fellow chatters

    I had my engine panels redone due to the typical yellowing and white heat damage

    Before i finally put them back I was wondering what can be used to protect them from future damage.

    The places are the coolant cover and right above the headers

    Does anyone have a good proven solution ?

    I have looked at the thin aluminum insulated sheets but am worried about the heat burning thru them and possibly causing a fire

    So if someone found something to help protect the beautiful carbon fiber in our Scuderias please share .. i am thinking there is a perfect solution to be had that would be as easy as applying to the back of the panels ..but i didn't just want to go to Amazon and experiment with self adhesive heat tape etc

    Thanks in advance

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  2. janmante

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    #2 janmante, Feb 5, 2021
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    I would suggest a good ceramic coating on your exhaust ! Headers and cats at least . Swain tech in NY is a good choice , they do work for all the top NASCAR teams . this can reduce heat up to about 50% other solutions are header blankets and exhaust wrap ( be sure you use the 2,000 degree F rated wrap to avoid any issues ) and you can use combinations of these as your preference and budget dictate .
    most of the deleterious heat comes from the exhaust clearly .
    You could as well apply some insulating material to the backside of the CF panels themselves but insulating heat from the exhaust will give the best results and properly done w/ top-notch materials is totally harmless to the exhaust itself
     
  3. flash32

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    Thanks for the input

    I am looking at just insulating the back of the various ct pieces and was hoping someone can point me to a thin good adhesive type backing .. any thoughts ?

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  4. timwu12

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    Do you mean the 2 large engine side panels? If so, I don't think insulating the back side will do anything as most of the heat is in the front face with heat coming off the headers and engine. There isn't anything behind the panel that generates heat so insulating that side won't do much.

    However, if you insulate the front, you'd lose the carbon fiber look. Short of wrapping other components to mitigate radiant heat, there isn't much you can do.

    With that said, I have the CS carbon panels in my engine bay and I also had them redone not too long ago in automotive clear coat for better UV resistance. I also applied a ceramic coating to it in a high temp coating made for wheels (Cquartz DLUX) to give it a little more resilience.
     
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    I have the standard metal panels on the F430 and have Fabspeed headers with no ceramic coating and no blankets. I did get some adhesive panels and applied to the backside of the side panels and it seemed to help with the heat issues in the upper engine compartment. The car was this way when purchased with no blankets etc, and I added the panel reflective heat shields. No issues so far and I hope it is helping.

    This is what I used and there has been no sign of combustion etc. It is holding up well but don't know if it is really helping anything but it seems to be helping as the panels are cooler to the touch. It might help prevent discoloration on your expensive CF panels.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084C2YSSF/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
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    Thanks

    Thats what i am looking for .. unfortunately that is no longer available but it gets me an idea of what others have used



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  7. flash32

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    Yes i am referring to the side panels

    Here is the picture .. i will double check in person but I believe the headers are right below the panels as the pictures show

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    Absolutely correct. The heat is coming from the wrong side so there is little that can be done to the carbon to protect it.
     
  9. flash32

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    So you think even after looking at picture ..not in front of car so just going by my pictures

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  10. Mel Spillman

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    I have used this high heat wax on my carbon fiber engine panels for the last few years and my panels still look like new. Of course, I only drive the car a couple of times a month.
     
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    seriously ? With all due respect, hard to believe that wax would help much ! TBH !
    I was told the Ferrari clear on the CF yellows fr heat and there is just not much to do about it !
    we DO open our motor compartment lids here in the desert when we stop and it helps the compartment cool off faster - a bit !
    and I was told to just get the panels re-finished every few years when they yellow !
    my friend just got his CF engine covers re-finished and now said his airbox covers are yellowish ! ( see photo )
    The many available Exhaust blankets, ceramic coating and high temp wraps ( or some combination of those ) IS the needed first step !
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  13. janmante

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    Yes, the headers are right below one NEEDS to insulate the pipes and it offers a plethora of other benefits to MANY other components too !
    Frankly, if you will not insulate the pipes any other solution is a futile waste of time !
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    that product is not listed anymore and that seller has no other heat abatement products offered !
    I would suggest looking @ design engineering incorporated and Thermo tec websites, and google Automotive engine compartment heatproofing products
     
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    Can we ask why you do not solve the problem by insulating the exhaust ? I can tell you IME nothing else will work really ! but of course, it is your choice .
     
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