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355 5.2 MAF scanner readings

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  1. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
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    I have read generic specs about grams per second or pounds per minute. Does anyone know what specific readings should be for 355 with 5.2?
     
  2. INTMD8

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    Not sure what you're trying to figure out with this but it wouldn't be the cause of your current issues. One maf for both banks so if one bank is off, maf isn't it.
     
  3. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
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    ^^^LOL....you got me......understood, and agreed. Just wondering what my OBD scanner reading for grams per second should be. There is lots of generic info online, but I was hoping to have someone report what numbers for 355, 5.2 are?
     
  4. Carmellini

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    According to most internet sources, a normally aspirated 3.5 engine should reflect 2 to 7 grams per second (.39 to .92 pounds per second) at idle.
    Has anyone seen these numbers on their scanner?
     
  5. johnk...

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    3.5L = 0.1236 ft^3. Thus 0.1236 ft^3 /2 revolutions (4 stroke engine) >> 61.8 ft^3/min at 1000 RPM >> 1.03 ft^3/sec. Mass of air at standard conditions = 0.0764 lb/ft3 >> 0.0787 lbs/sec. BUT, intake vacuum is about 1/2 atmosphere so density is about 1/2 standard conditions. >>> 0.03935 lbs/sec = 17.85 gm/sec


    7 gm/sec = 0.0154lbs/sec.
     
  6. INTMD8

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    That's quite a range.

    I'm scanning a 2008 Corvette right now and it sits at 7 g/sec at 600rpm idle.

    Volumetric efficiency is very low at idle but the F355 idles at a higher rpm. I would guess 5-6 g/sec but it's been years since I've scanned an F355.
     
  7. Carmellini

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    This should have read pounds per MINUTE, not seconds. Sorry. I did the conversion because my scanner
    reads out in pounds per minute, yet most calculations are in grams per second.

    Reason for ask, is my idle reading is 1.40 pounds per minute which is 10.58 grams per second.
    That would seem high?
     
  8. INTMD8

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    Lets look at it another way, if your one bank fuel trims are almost perfect it really can't be high (unless you have other unlikely issues).

    MAF sensor output, if an issue is almost always low. Vacuum leak, dirty sensor, sensor failing, 99% of the time will be low output and not the other way around.
     
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  9. johnk...

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    Oops. Forgot VE factor. Somewhere between 20 and 40% at idle

    VE = 40% >> 17.85 * .40 = 7.14 gm/sec

    VE = 20% >> 3.57 gm/sec
     
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  10. Carmellini

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    OK. Understood. Why is my number high? Its consistently at or near 1.40 lb./min.
     
  11. INTMD8

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    It really can't be high if one bank fuel trim is near zero.

    If maf was actually reporting abnormally high and fuel pressure is correct you would see negative fuel trims correlating by the same percentage the maf is reading high.
     
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  12. Carmellini

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    So 1.40 must be a good reading? On cold start it reads 1.55?
     
  13. INTMD8

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    Well cold start is generally higher rpm so stands to reason airflow would be higher as well.

    If one bank fuel trims are near zero and fuel pressure is correct there is no problem with maf output, at that rpm/airflow range.
     
  14. 26street

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    I have a question you said you are using a generic scanner and you have 1995 car that is not OBD2 and you are comparing to a 2008 car with only 1 MAF sensor—-right so far/—

    Not knowing what type of scanner it is I will say that it works on C.A.N. Which was mandated by law to start in model year 1996 and up most cars before that use different protocols for diagnostics and the scanner you are using might not work as well as it would if the system was C.A.N. And a 2008 corvette only has 1 ECM your car has 2 a master & slave that share info meaning when you hook up a diagnostic tool you are reading from the master which is then interpreting information from the slave ECM so unless you have a factory approved scanner or equivalent I would not trust anything I see out side of codes

    And if you really feel that something is wrong with your engine just go old school and pull the plugs and look to see if you are running rich or lean there plenty of pics to show what you are seeing and a vacuum gauge on both banks to compare at idle they should be almost the same
    this is what the ECM’s are doing through the sensors and more




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  15. INTMD8

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    OP's car is a 5.2. One maf, one ecu, obd2
     
  16. Carmellini

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    Correct.

    I understand my issue is not MAF related, but would love to hear what others see for MAF readings. 1.40 for my car seems to be working fine,
    but according to "most internet sources" that is way off for this size engine. IF the general rules apply to our cars....???

    FWIW: BMW 540i and 740i share the same Bosch MAF part number 0 280 217 800.
     
  17. INTMD8

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    It's not only the size of the engine but what rpm it's running at. Can't really compare idle maf output if idle speed for one is double the other.
     
  18. Carmellini

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    ah ha...good point.....all the more reason for someone to chime in and report MAF readings. Bueller, Bueller.......???
     
  19. 26street

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