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Why do i see comments not to use the choke on carb'd cars?

Discussion in '308/328' started by AZDoug, Mar 26, 2021.

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  1. AZDoug

    AZDoug Formula 3

    Jun 17, 2009
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    I realize it isn't a choke as such, but rather a fuel enrichment dump, but i used the choke all the time back in the 1980s when starting the car on a cold day, when i drove it every day.

    I still will manual cycle the choke prior to starting, just to keep the moving sleeves from seizing/gunking up, but just do 3-4 accel pumps prior to start,and repeat as necessary, this is because i don't drive it every day, and have to fill up the carbs, and am not sure if using the choke in that situation can lead to excess fuel dump down the bore.

    I NEVER do extended cranking as that can ruin a starter motor due to overheating the motor, but if the car doesn't fire in 2-3 seconds of cranking, I cycle the key and do a few more acccel pumps, and repeat as needed. I usually starts at the most after 3-4 on/off/pumping cycles after having sat for a week or a month.

    Doug
     
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  2. steven_ew

    steven_ew Karting

    Apr 3, 2009
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    No idea. I’ve heard this lots and I think it’s rubbish. With clean plugs my GTS starts great using the choke; keep it on for a couple of minutes and once the engine warms a little turn it off. Pumping the accelerator as advised just seems to foul the plugs and mean you have to clean them sooner
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The "reason" is that the choke spools inside the DCNF carb get opened mechanically by the cable mechanism (physically dragging them open), but, when you return the cable lever mechanism to the closed position, the choke spools may hang-up in their bores and not fully close (because they are closed by a return spring, not by the cable mechanism). It got more troublesome when they introduced cats on the US '78-'79 models -- have a choke spool hang-up on a US '73-'77 308 = you foul a plug; have a choke spool hang-up on a cat-equipped US '78-'79 308 = carbeque.
     
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  4. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    A friend of mine has a 365 gtc4, apparently its a right art to start it up- all to do with the carbs and throttle use
     
  5. Kidasters

    Kidasters Formula Junior

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    I figured it was because the choke wire linkage is iffy at best. I thought about leaving it off when I re-installed the carbs, but included it for the sake of completeness.
     
  6. AZDoug

    AZDoug Formula 3

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    Well, i haven't had cats on my car since about 1987.

    Doug
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Didn't say that it was a good practice or a bad practice -- just the reason where that rule-of-thumb originated (and a sliding metal-on-metal situation "washed" by gasoline isn't exactly ideal). Certainly, being catless is far less risk, and wish we had some objective data for how often a choke spool hangs up if used regularly rather than just hearsay ;)
     
  8. mike996

    mike996 F1 Veteran

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    It would SEEM logical that the more frequently it is used, the less likely it would hang up. The worst thing for any moving part is for it not to move. But I have never had a Weber-carbed car so I can only speculate.
     
  9. Kidasters

    Kidasters Formula Junior

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    No. The wire linkage for the chokes is much less robust than the normal throttle linkage.

    After understanding the linkage on my carbs, I will never use the chokes. Ever.
     
  10. ProvaMo

    ProvaMo Formula Junior

    Jun 29, 2004
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    Not using the choke has been a 308 startup word-of-mouth SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) for decades, pressurize the system & pump, don't use the choke level... I was first told this in the mid-1980's. My cars start fine with our without the choke lever. There are quite a few posts on the topic (a couple below) Bottom line, you typically do not need to choke, but if your choke cable system and carbs are in proper working order and not hanging up, no problem to use for initial/early start. But if there's an issue with your choke/cabling system... then stay away:

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/choke-on-early-308-carbd-cars.450415/
    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/problem-starting-carbed-308.253681/
     
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  11. steven_ew

    steven_ew Karting

    Apr 3, 2009
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    when someone rebuilt my GT4 previously the choke cable was left off
     
  12. steven_ew

    steven_ew Karting

    Apr 3, 2009
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    60,000 miles continually using the choke for every start. No problems.
     
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  13. kcabpilot

    kcabpilot Formula 3

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    It all goes back to carbs and why F1 dumped them about 50 years ago
     
  14. mike996

    mike996 F1 Veteran

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    Well it also is about the choke or enrichment mechanism chosen by the carb maker. Obviously some are more robust than others. If they are more robust, they are more expensive. We all need to remember that Enzo didn't care anything about Ferrari street cars... ;)
     
  15. 76Steel

    76Steel Formula 3

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    When I first got my carbed 308 I was experimenting starting the car using a choke and without. Then, I realized the choke was disconnected all together by the previous owner, lol. No wonder it made no difference.

    I left it as is and just started the car by pumping the gas a couple times. During my last major the mechanic reconnected the choke again to factory spec, but I still never use it.
     

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