Anybody remove parking brake pads for weekends only?
Okay- I’ve always thought my ceramic parking brake pads on my Scud are dragging. Different style system. Thanks
Is there an off-the-shelf solution for good brake cooling for the 458? Is the Speciale any better? (Although you can buy alot of sets of brakes for the cost difference, it's always helpful to have an excuse to upgrade) Or do people that track their cars more than once in a while proactively switch to iron rotors and track pads and don't worry about the heat?
Nothing to do with cooling, but the Surface Transform CCM are available for the 458 and they are supposed to be less subject to overheating than the Brembo brakes. I have yet to see how they perform since I just got them installed on my 488. Iron rotors will overheat even sooner, but they are dirt cheap compared to CCM, so replacing them is not an issue...
Surface Transform rotors are the real deal... I know on 991/911 Porsche’s the guys I run with are shaving a lot of time off due to constant brake pressure and awesome wear. The Porsche stock CCM rotors are much better than what Ferrari is using so a Ferrari will see even greater benefits from Surface Transform rotors. The CCM rotors Ferrari,is using are the same rotor exact spec that a 90k Corvette gets..interesting huh?
ST rotors are great. If you install them on a 458, use the Pagid RSC2 pads. A winning combination on both street and track. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Anyone have any experience with something like this on other cars? Any thoughts on whether something like this could work on a 458? Friend of mine just put these on his car and noted cooler brakes while on track (unfortunately doesn't have any temp data to show before/after results). https://vorshlag-store.com/collections/bmw-e46-brakes/products/vorshlag-bmw-e46-m3-brake-cooling-deflector-kit
Brake cooling has a lot to do with it, but I would say that pad thickness is the most important thing to pay attention to. When on track you need deep pads so they don't transfer the heat to the fluid.
Depends upon vehicle and lap times. I can run my GT3 RS hard and pads will last a season. I dropped 4 sec a lap at COTA in my 812 and they (brand new) pads lasted one weekend. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
IIRC when Ferrari introduced the CCM brakes they proudly told they were good for 300 laps of Fiorano - if you do the math that's only about 1,000 km... Typically a track day is not as demanding, so I guess one could expect a few thousands km of track duty (I probably ran about 4,000 km with my 488, but some were on wet track, which is more brakes-friendly).
Makes sense.. Thank you. I have a hard time driving less than 10/10ths.. I think I'll swap to giro discs before heading to the track. Thank you
I brought my car to track three times at three different places (PPIR, HPR and PMP Colorado) for half day each and my brake pads just worn out badly….glad that season is over so doing again next year…. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I finally had a chance to test the ST dics (together with Pagid RSC1 pads and metallic brake lines) on track and all performed very well. The track (Dijon Prenois) has only one single corner that's really demanding for the brakes - but this one is indeed very demanding (braking from 165 mph at the end of the straight); I did not experience any fading. The pads are almost dead though (they should still be OK for road use, specially with the kind of speed limits we have in France) and will need to be replaced before next track day.
Had this happen to me yesterday at a track event. 15 minutes into the second 20 minute session, coming down the main straight at 155mph and braking for turn one and my pedal goes mush. Nothing happened but I overshot the turn and there was paved runoff which was good, everything was fine. Took it easy the following lap and the brake pedal just kept going to the floor — very scary. I was using stock pads, rotors, and brake fluid. This showed me how serious and deadly these brakes in the 458 are. I have another track event next week and need to immediately address this. I’m not going to change the rotors right now, but I will change the pads and brake fluid. I’ll be putting in Motil 660. Can anyone tell me the best possible brake pads available for use with the stock carbon rotors? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I don't think the hardware is "deadly", you just weren't running the correct, track-oriented fluid on a 550hp, 3500lb car on track. The car also lacks brake cooling. RSL-1 pads, RBF660 fluid, and some brake ducting will solve all your problems.
If you're left-foot braking on track, make sure your foot is completely off the brake pedal when you're accelerating. Sounds obvious, but you'd be surprised at the bad habits people pick up.
I would recommend RSC2 pads for the 458. The RSL1 is a great track pad. But it is rough too. With OE discs the RSC2 will be more gentle on the disc. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Nothing unfortunately. Run RSC2 pads and either Castrol React SRF Racing or Motul RBF 700 fluid. Now that I have tried both fluids, I would say Castrol suits the 458 the best. The 458 needs better modulation and the Castrol fluid helps with this. The SRF fluid may still have a tiny bit of compressibility but after it became a DOT4 fluid, it has become much better. It used to be a DOT5 silicone based fluid and that was pretty "soft", but now it is very similar to Motul. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Wow, had no idea Motul made 700… I thought 660 was as good as it got. Thanks for the suggestions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk