Once you get past the nasaley voice, he’s not bad. He does well as he offers something nobody else does and likes weird cars- the “quirks and features” guy. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I met him once when he was starting out living here in Atlanta... nice kid, I give him credit he's doing what he wants and making it pay. good for him.
THHHHHIIIIISSSSSSSSS is a..... (he loves saying that) Do I understand him correctly that he has his own auction website now?
The 612 should really be in with the 550 and 575. It has nothing in common with the 599. I looked at it when it first came out, I'm glad I waited and got the 599.
George- The 612 and 599 share the same chassis, suspension, aluminum structure, etc. The 599 is a short wheelbase version of the 612 with a productionized Enzo engine and F1 Superfast system. The only thing it shares with the Maranellos is its upgraded Type F133 engines. The OTO even shares the 599's twin disc clutch, gearbox case, and Superfast 1 system.
Much of the chassis electronics are shared between 599 and 612 as well. They maybe aren't twins, but they are at least half brothers.
So Taz, you are saying these engines are essentially the same? Why were they not marketing the 612 as a de-tuned Enzo engine the way they did with the 599?
It looks like he put the website together himself, not terribly upscale or savvy. He should've had Rob Lay help him!
George- You misread my post. The 612 has an upgraded 575M engine, like I said. 575M Type F133E, 612 Type F133F, Superamerica Type F133G, 612 late Type F133H. The Enzo and 599 are Type F140B and F140C engines respectively. The aluminum chassis on the 612 and 599 are virtually identical except for the wheelbase. Qtr- The productionized F140C engine was nowhere near ready when the 612 prototypes appeared in 2002 and the first Enzos were produced. Both were in series production in 2003. The 599 engine (steel rods, etc compared to titanium for the Enzo) was not ready until the 2006 timeframe.
Taz given the 599 is essentially a detuned Enzo engine, do you think it may be possible to extract a little more power from it?
Olivier- Affirmative, easy to boost hp. Like George said, get rid of the 3-2-1 headers with 2 precats on each side and go to 6-1 headers with only two primary cats like the GTO did. I am sure a reflash would help, too, but not sure it is worth the effort. The 6-1 headers give you a glorious sound, too.
No, do not even have a 599. Several owners here do have Fabio's 6-1 headers. Worth the money just for the sound, plus it probably adds 40-60 hp like it does for the 575M.
Thanks Taz, would you rather go with the GTO configuration or the 6-1 with precat and then straight pipes to replace the primary cats? Actually I already have this - tubi - on the car ... and could easily swap again ...
Olivier- The cats in the headers are precats and the two big cats are the primary cats, regardless of what the marketing types for aftermarket exhausts call them. Fabio's 6-1 headers get rid of the 4 precats and then you only have two primary cats, just like the GTO. It would be very difficult to do precats with 6-1 headers and it would foul up the flow, just like it does now on the 575M, the 612, and the 599 GTB. TT- 6-1 works for the 612 or the 599, but we were referencing the 599 GTB vs 599 GTO.
Thanks Taz, I believe Fabio has 2 versions of the 6-1. One catalyzed where the cat are just after the collector (similar to 599 GTB config) that would allow primary cats delete and a non-catalyzed race version that would require primary cats to pass emission control here in the UK ... these are the configuration I was trying to compare for HP, sound, etc.
Olivier- Affirmative, my 575M has his 6-1s with 200 series cats. The same headers can be hooked up to catalysts or bypasses.
