Ferrari already throwing in the towel for 2021

The Scuderia, despite poor performance is the most consistent team out there. William, you love Mercedes and electric cars. C’mon now, we know your secretly Elton Hamdashian fervently pressing dem keys trollin away.

 

Ferrari is infused with FIAT thinking. And I'll bet that the bulk of their budget comes from FIAT.

 

Ferrari were the only money making part of FIAT. You’re in Ferrari Chat. Have you read any of the threads...?

 

Agree
Exor is a strong link between Fiat and Ferrari.
This is Elkan who decided the Le Mans comeback.

 

And I'll bet they spent more than they earned. My point is that years of being owned by FIAT has given Ferrari the money to go racing, but with the death of Enzo, the strings and influence of FIAT grew and grew. They might have, in recent years, become separate corporations on paper, but much of the FIAT culture remains. Ferrari just didn't decide to use Alfa Romeo as a B Team, that came from the ties and money links to FIAT. With FIAT now out of the car business, I doubt Peugeot will have any interest in being a sponsor of Ferrari. So where does Ferrari get the money to compete against Mercedes? And who is going to sponsor Alfa Romeo?

 

They get the money from big sponsorship deals, branded goods and let's not forget one of the best margins in the car industry.

 

The trolling in this thread is not even good quality trolling, ignoring facts makes you just look delusional and no one is laughing. Looking forward to 2022 when the red cars are again fighting at the top, these same people will probably then start shouting their "Italian cheaters" chant like an fire alarm (just the thought of it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside).

 

Sorry, but I find that statement utterly stupid.

Why are they in the F1 business, if not to try their best every year ?

 

So, F1 has achieved the position where a team that sandbags is rewarded with development tokens.
That does not seem to be "of the original spirit" of F1.

 

I don't think so. Ferrari came out of the FIAT umbrella in 2014, when FCA was created with Chrysler.

The link is even weaker now that FCA merged with PSA to form Stellantis.

 

Scuderia Ferrari, which is a subsudary of Ferrari SPA, can raise its own budget with no sweat.

Sponsors queue up with offers every year, and many are turned down.

 

Makes sense but would Ferrari really want that?


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LMAO !

 

They'll likely finish 4th this year. Up from 7th. Chasing a title they simply won't win unless both Merc and RBR are disqualified from the championships is a futile exercise. Eyes on the big picture.

You handily leave the 2nd bit of the quote off that in order to make your point look better. If you can't realistically win the title this year, because your car is inherently flawed and you're not allowed to upgrade it in such a way to make it competitive enough, that money is wasted. No one remembers who finished 2nd. If you have no hope to finish better than 3rd, what's the ****ing point?

Well that depends on the (financial) status of the team. A team like Ferrari can easily survive finishing lower than 5th a few times. Williams, Haas? Not so much.

For Ferrari it's definitely an advantage given their sizeable budget and relative ease of getting sponsors to the table. It's by far the most famous name not just in F1 but also right up there with the most famous brands world wide. So any sponsor would be quite keen to get their name of the Ferrari F1 cars.

 

The point about saving money when you are Ferrari is laughable.
I can understand it from Haas, which is pretty hard-up it seems, or one of the other back markers.
Williams for example still seems to have treasury problems even with its new owners.
Scuderia Ferrari is awash with cash, so costs are never a problem for them.
For a Ferrari executive to lower expectations before the season even starts is really bad show.

 

This contradicts what you said about Ferrari having to avoid "wasting money".

Raising their budget through sponsorship is absolutely no problem to them, thanks to the attraction of their brand.

 

The point, as I've said so many times now but you refuse to acknowledge it, Ferrari get more development time when they finish lower. Therefore, since there is no glory in finishing 2nd let alone lower than that, it's a waste of time and money to develop a car that'll be completely replaced in less than a years time. Every minute spend on the 2022 car development is better than any time spend on the 2021 car that will not win them any titles.

I'm not quite sure how to make that more clear to you unless of course you are deliberately trolling.

 

You may as well stop accusing me of trolling, because I could return you the compliment.

What I have been saying is that the notion of banking development time to use it the following year would be anatema to any self-respecting team.
Also, doing so doesn't mean that Ferrari will come up with a winning car in 2022 ! What will be the excuse then ?
I bet not many of the top ones (Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren) will adopt that strategy.

 

You claim to have been watching F1 since the 60s or whatever, so presumably you'll be quite knowledgeable on the subject.

You come on a Ferrari forum and accuse the team of being losers for focusing on 2022. When explained to you why focusing on 2022 is actually smart all things considered, you continue on with your narrative of Ferrari being losers, without giving any counter argument, just brushing all facts aside as ''speculation''.

I would say focusing on a year where there is nothing real to be gained by continuing development of a car in order to finish 3rd at best, is stupidity, as nothing is gained. A bit more money (that the team doesn't need) and erm...who celebrates finishing 3rd in the WCC again? Haas probably would.

That's an entirely different argument. However, if 2022 is another failure and their excuse is ''well, we tried to win the 2021 championship with our car that started out a second a lap slower therefore we lagged behind in the 2022 car development'', anyone with half a brain would accuse Ferrari of being pretty damn stupid.

Lets see:
Red Bull and Mercedes won't adopt that strategy because they're the ones actually fighting for the title. Giving up now for either would be the height of stupidity.
Mclaren, unlike Ferrari, is hemorrhaging money so any step up in the WCC will a) net them more income from FOM b) possibility of more sponsorship

 

I have only been watching Formula one for a couple years and all I can say is why is anyone watching this and enjoying what goes on? This is similar to Jimmy J winning 5 nascar's in a row when they went to the current format. please tell me why the powers to be at F1 like this? If Fords are winning they adjust the rules to even things out. If Chevy wins all the time same deal. If Mercedes wins all the time adjust the rules and let others compete and I don't mean favor anyone. If Ferrari figured out a way to make their engine better then have at it. Biggest thing about Formula one is if you took 3 or 4 drivers out of the race it would probably be very entertaining every weekend!

 

I’m reading this with my popcorn


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Since when Ferrari ever said they will challenge for 2021? It's effectively the same car as last year. If they can finish 3rd, I'll be impressed.

 

What good is the time when you spend it A) creating turds & B) polishing said turds???

Red Bull, Mercedes, & McLaren seem to have found ways to improve & last time I checked everyone's calendar had the same 365 days in it.

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Exactly !

 

The current turd polishing situation is quite simple: A lot of polishing to do, but there is no cloth and the polishing liquid is nearly empty.

Red Bull/Mercedes started with good packages already, an evolution of last years' cars. You're asking Ferrari to fix it's current car which will not evolve for next year (I do wonder why this needs explaining constantly?).

Mclaren received a brand new engine, swapping out their old useless washing machine for the best engine in F1. Some performance was bound to be gained from that.