F1 PIRELLI GRAN PREMIO DEL MADE IN ITALY E DELL'EMILIA ROMAGNA 2021: RACE ▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS ▀▄▀▄▀▄

I think part of the problem is that a safety car comes out once there is an incident at a specific location on the circuit. The incident has no relevance to running order...so the choice is a) maintain the grid based on how cars lined up when the Safety Car is deployed or b) reset the grid based on running order so that the race leader isn't potentially running in the middle of the pack on restart. In that case, they have the lapped cars move to the back of the grid by un-lapping themselves.

To clarify, if Verstappen is leading the race, but at the time of the Safety Car he is 9th in the queue, do you leave him there or do you reset the grid? After reviewing all of the options, the FIA felt it a more clean process to maintain the running order and reset the grid.

 

I've seen a lot of this being expressed. So, the suggestion is that a) in the second race of the season where Hamilton is leading the wdc (with 21 races left), b) following LH's off-track incident, Wolf ordered Russell to swerve onto the grass, collecting Bottas along the way at close to 200mph in the c) very Tamburello section where Ayrton Senna lost his life in 1994? EDIT: d) allowing Hamilton to un-lap himself into 9th place so that he can finish 2nd.

Do I have that correct?

 

U do! All make perfect sense to me


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Everyone is sent to the pits during a red flag event anyway, have them report to their pit boxes instead of lining them up on pit road and moving all their gear to the cars. Use timing and scoring to record their position at the time of the safety car deployment. Reassemble them in the same order, leader leads the field. If the red flag had not come out, faster cars would have had to pass the slower/lapped ones anyway. The time deltas would get removed, but the laps ran would stay the same, lapped vehicles would stay lapped.

 

As I said, the FIA felt the best option was to reset the grid based on current running order and to un-lap lapped vehicles. That was their solution to the question of how to situate cars following an on-circuit incident. Remember, this is based on Safety Car running, not red flag. I think in this case, the safety car was deployed prior to the red flag. The red flag stop/restart is an actual grid restart, iirc, so the treatment may be entirely different.

 

Sounds to me like Russell got Toto-ld off a little.

 

He was reminded he is an employee and replaceable. Easily in fact.

One name - Lando Norris. Fast, savvy, likeable and displays no ego like Russell did yesterday. A nice fast face that George should be aware of is Norris. There is nothing forcing Mercedes to promote Russell. Remember Ocon.

 

I understand that this is the decision that the FIA makes, and it is OK, but I believe not preferrable.

I don't see why they don't just line up the grid based on positioning at the exact time the yellow or red flag was deployed. I mean, they would have had to pass the cars had the flag not occured, so why not force them to make the passes after the flag expires? Seems artificial to reposition the cars based on running order.

Kevin

 

So in the end Russell also gave way to political correctness. Not only most races are boring, the racers too....
Nothing wrong with having an outspoken opinion.

 

Russell must have considered his career and came to his senses.

"A moment of shame is quickly forgotten" used to tell me my granma to make me admit my mistakes .

But I still think Bottas initiated the incident, although Russell was maybe careless insisting on passing.

 

Thanks for your feedback. It sounds like we have both been watching F1 for some time and understand the rules, I am just exploring new alternatives here. I do not think it is fair to give any drivers in any racing series "free" laps, regardless of the circumstances. We have plenty of technology to find a new solution. They can keep existing time deltas during VSC, solving this is doable.

 

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Vettel blaming the stewards for him being a POS now. Seems like VET's poor performance is everything but him.....

 

In Vettel’s case I think he’s trying to ingratiate himself to his team owner by piling on the FIA. This after said team owner forced his team principal to put out the cringeworthy declaration about suing the FUA and go on TV to do the same.

 

+1

Good on him. Reads like he's apologizing for the helmet slap and his comments about Bottas' lack of performance after the race (what is he doing racing an Aston and a Wiliams when he's in a merc). He's not taking blame for the crash, as well he shouldn't!

+1 sounds quite implausible. Better to shunt at Tosa if you're going to do it intentionally... Lewis simply got extremely lucky after a very costly mistake.

 

Absolutely! IMO he went from a certain P2 to 4th. He was 40 seconds ahead of Norris at the time of the accident. 40! The Ferrari may not be quite all that in the dry, but Leclerc's skills showed true once again when it was changing conditions. A performance gone unnoticed by most of us I would think. And just about anyone, given that he wasn't even in the top 3 of ''driver of the day'' award thing.

 

one certainty any given weekend is that Charles will wring the neck of that Ferrari and push it up the grid. As much as luck favored Hamilton yesterday, it punished Leclerc. We know that’s how safety cars work though...but it tends to balance out over time (unless you’re Maldonado, Grosjean or Mazepin...)

Fantastic driver regardless...among the top3, imo.

 

Maldonado and Grosjean rarely benefitted because they where normally the cause of said safety car

 

A looooong way from China 2007. He learned.

 

The lapped cars are not allowed to pass the safety car until the safety period is about to end.
Since most tracks are 1:30 to 1:50 seconds per lap, the released cars would have to travel at faster than qualifying pace to get to the back of the grid before the safety car pulls in.
But if there are 2 safety cars in rapid succession, then it is possible to make up 2 laps. Otherwise, not so easy.

 

Spot on as usual Rick.

 

Leclerc is driving what looks like the 4th best car on the grid (behind Red Bull, Mercedes and McLaren), so his performance has to be assessed in that context.
We don't hear much about Leclerc; the spotlight is on Verstappen and Hamilton, but he could be among the best 3 drivers of the moment.
It's all speculation, since he doesn't have yet the winning car he deserves under him.
Let's hope Ferrari will provide that in 2022, or Leclerc will have to look for another team.

 

Based on RIC performance and the fact that both Ferraris caught NOR but couldn’t pass because 1/ he mugged Leclerc at the re-start with his (S) tires and Leclerc wasn’t aware of the restart apparently due to no radio 2/ Ferrari went with more of a high drag wet set-up so too slow to pass, I would not say Ferrari are behind McLaren.

If the argument is used that the only reason Ferrari is close to the front is that Leclerc is making the difference then I would argue that based on the fact that their respective supporters think HAM and VER are driving Gods, well then the Merc and RBR are not great cars either and the only reason they’re so fast is the talent of their respective lead drivers.

You can’t argue one way for Leclerc and another for the others unless you believe the Ferrari is no faster than the Haas in which case Leclerc is the absolute best driver out there.

If you look at the fastest laps yesterday, NOR and others behind were all within a tenth or more. Only HAM and VER were clearly faster—so, car or drivers?

 

Russell probably messed up his chances of driving for Mercedes I think, they would be better off with Lando, or even Ricciardo of Sainz if the need to replace one of their drivers arises. Consistency wins championships, Russell's temper is a risk more than an asset.

Comparison with his peers:

Norris: 39 races, 158 points, 2 podiums
Albon (relegated from F1): 38 races, 197 points, 2 podiums
Russell: 39 races, 3 points

If you argue he stays at Williams like a good boi to get the Mercedes seat later on, I'd say that's a gamble on his part not worth taking. He is now in the position to lose much more (by ruining Mercedes') than gain (what's he going to learn by outqualifying Latifi once again?)


Max has fully matured into champion-winning material! Still waiting for that race with both Mercedes and Red Bulls in contention though, maybe next time