Agree, hopefully LB will look a lot better with the flying buttress making a comeback. Day355 seems to think it’s a handsome car. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I think little brother will be another benchmark car for Ferrari like the 458 was versus the 360 variations before it. To me the 458 can potentially be a classic (albeit they made a lot of them) but the NA Flat plane crank and DCT along with its good clean looks has that potential. Little brother will be another complete ground up design. If they style it correctly, it could be the most popular exotic Hybrid ever made.
I don’t think that the F8 will continued long as well. I think the sales will drop hard and at the end they still wanna try to sell some cars on that platform. That’s why I think they going to make a “VS” of the F8 to boost the sales there again. I can’t believe that Ferrari will make a car with more hp (F171) and make it cheaper then the F8. This is the change for them to step up in the pricing game and I think they will do it. So that’s why I think that the V6 hybride isn’t the direct replacement (price wise) of the F8. If the pricing will start at 300k I think there will be place for a smaller more drivers (V6 without hybride a real Dino) of 200-230k. It will also be strange in my opinion that the sf90 start at 450k with 1000hp and that the V6 hybride will start at 200k with 750-800 hp. But maybe I’m wrong but i hope for this line up. 200k V6 Turbo mid engine (New Dino) 300k V6 hybride mid engine (F171) 300k V8 Turbo mid engine (F8 VS) 450k V8 hybride mid engine (SF90) 600k V12 NA mid engine (replacement of the 812)
Compare to this the V6 Artura (with plastic floor pan and bulkheads but with aluminum frame extensions forward and aft plus steel or aluminum roof) at 1500 kg and the V6 MC20 with Dallara built CF chassis also at around 1500 kg. So in LB, the more compact V6 and new generation platform (compared to 488 and Pista) should compensate for battery and motor weight and it should be expected to come in under the weight of the 488. Pretty sure most buyers don’t mind (or will ever notice) a difference in weight of less than 6% but they’ll surely notice the difference of a wide cockpit versus the hip squeezing of the Mac due to the large sill width and height—which,BTW, is probably a larger contributor to chassis stiffness than the material. In the meantime, Porsche keeps making steel bodied cars that go really fast and sell really well.
You’re absolutely right just a few grams heavier than the announced 1290kg. The 756 LT is the same, the real weight is about 2167 kg. They all lie.
McLaren claims 1230 dry weight for 765lt, and real weight of the car 1400. I know, Ferrari dry weight too low = liars. Mc = gods of carbon tubes.
The problem is that Ferrari only quotes dry weight which is BS! Mclaren and everyone else also quite DIN as it should be. It’s the shadiness of Ferrari that pisses me off. They have great products, stop being shady, there’s no need. Image Unavailable, Please Login
The only good thing about the LB is that it will make the F8 cheap and then I will nail one for 150k less and can spend the same amount in gas.
The owners manual states all 3 weights for the 765LT, and was proven highly accurate on independent tests. I recall the same tester weighed the Ferrari’s and they had more variance vs factory claim. To keep it honest.
That’s the carbon tub for you. No matter how many times Ferrari apologists claim that the carbon tub makes no difference, those that have had extensive seat time in a carbon know that it makes a massive difference. I agree with you whole heartedly. The carbon cars “feel” so light nimble.
My dealer confirms this. In fact the GM stated the design will be the most extensive since they went to the 360 from the 355.
The carbon tub also has advantages in packaging that the aluminum can't do. Particularly with spiders. Also advantages in crash protection over aluminum.
People Can talk all about how porsche doesn’t do carbon but the Porsche cult is much bigger than the Ferrari cult. This is same comp yea no that charges 18k for the Weissach Package. A package the reduced 20 pounds from the weight of the car and you have the enthusiasts lining up for it drives. Yes the carbon tub makes a massive difference, especially so in spiders.
If I may put a counter point though: An exotic car is also (IMO) a piece of art. When I would look into the engine bay of my F430 spider and see the perfect welds of the aluminum frame, you just wonder at the ability of a worker to be so skilled they could make something so perfect and beautiful. I wonder if in the age of speed we have lost something from the age of craftsmanship.
I don’t disagree but that’s a tough argument to make cause there really aren’t any workers involved- just cad design and robots for the most part. But your point in general is a valid one.
This is a valid point when talking about exotics. Today I would even say, that from a craftmanship point of view there is even more beauty in a hand-layered carbon chassis than there is in an alu spaceframe put together by some robots.
McLaren or Maserati are not hand-making their carbon tubs though, that's not economically sustainable for the (relatively) high production volumes.
This is getting exciting, I hope they go a different direction to the SF90’s exterior design and have them be separate models. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
While a carbon tub is fantastic for driving dynamics and making the car more lithe and light on its feet, it also makes the interior a bit more cramped, especially the footwell area. It also limits the tire sizes (width) that can be used, esp. in the front.
This would be the one engineering negative. Mac's are more difficult to get in and out of. However, its gotten better over the years.
