Tesla Powered 308 vs TR

Be careful with that description. It is clear you are trying to use it in a derogatory term but "slot car" is usually used as a complement for a car that handles extremely well.

 

Perfectly said,regarding your post about ICEs and E s

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"Slot car motor" , and yes my 1/32 Scalectrix slot cars handle quite well, and would beat any electric car in acceleration too.

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You keep calling it that. Are you intending that as a insult? Slot cars are awesome, they have crazy acceleration and handle ridiculously well (cause you know, they are slot cars). They even sound cool.

I think you need to come up with some other snarky derogatory term.

 

Maybe "slot car motor " is to nice of a term, what I could or want to call it instead , I cannot say here on this forum,with that being said, the slot car in of itself is much more better in every way than any electric powered " so called " sports car. Get that straight .

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" Solving those problems binds us together. I could not get these things from a 100% reliable electric device."

I am of the opposite opinion. I would be more than happy to leave the days of ICE maintenance behind, just like folks were happy (eventually, though not right away) to leave horse-drawn vehicles behind. OTHER than the range (battery) issue, there is absolutely nothing that an ICE engine currently offers that would justify me choosing it over electric. It has less power, less efficiency, (far) more maintenance and more noise/vibration.

If you prefer the maintenance, various leaks, etc, that's great but I spend a lot of time trying to eliminate those leaks! With an E motor they don't exist at all! If you want to 'fiddle', have no doubt that there will always be 'upgrades' available, even for electric motors. I can see the ads now:

Is your car only capable of 2.5 second times to 60MPH and 10 second 1/4 mile times? Install the Fabuloso QwikPower capacitor and reduce those times by 10 %!! OR, send your motor in for our Fabuloso SuperMax motor rewind, using 99.9% pure silver wire and our secret proprietary process for a power gain that has to be experienced to be believed!

 

Pure car enthusiasts dont care how fast an electric car is , with that being said, about the ones who do care, 99.9 percent of them will never exploit the power anyhow , same as they do in their Ferraris, they drive them like a grandma, so the fact that they are faster makes no difference, oh maybe they can brag and tell their friends how fast it is, and yes " MY ELECTRIC 308" or whatever is faster than your Ferrari, big deal . Any die hard Ferrari owner will never agree with it being electric . An electric car being faster than a Ferrari is not a reason to brag about it , or why one should think its so much better than an ICE , you might as well compare a Ferrari to an F16 .

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"Any die hard Ferrari owner will never agree with it being electric ."

Even when Ferrari makes it? They will, probably by 2025...

Based on the experience I mentioned in my earlier post, years ago I'm sure somebody said (and still does), "Diehard Ferrari owners will never agree with it being a V8!"

 

I disagree. There are a lot of us who have a deep appreciation for all forms of propulsion and differing technologies. I don't care how it pushes me back in the seat, as long as it does it. Also a great many of us who grew up racing and building slot cars who have a deep appreciation for the massive power available with an electric motor. Also as one who loves piston engines and has so much life long exposure to very loud noise and has very noticeable hearing loss I dont care if I never hear another automotive engine for the rest of my life.

That being said I will embrace the electric automobile when a high performance version can go 300 miles on a charge, in the mountains on a 30 degree day and I can stop and recharge fully in 3 minutes. Until they can do that they are a failed technology.

 

I'm the same re motorcycles (as well as cars) - I'd have an E-moto tomorrow if they had sufficient range at a useable speed. There's no doubt it will happen at some point but we are not there yet. I do wonder with battery/mass electric car production if battery raw materials are adequate. There seems to be a lot more oil than anybody ever thought but is there enough lithium and whatever else is needed to build multi millions of sets of batteries for the foreseeable future?

FWIW...I have a good friend in the UK who bought a Tesla sedan about a year ago and you couldn't pry that thing out of his hands at any price. I had my first ride in it a few months ago and was very impressed. As far as range, he has no issue at all. BUT.. a long drive for him is 90 miles. We have to drive that far just to get to a "fun" road to ride/drive on!

 

I have no knowledge about the quantity of raw materials but I do know between harvesting it, making the batteries and disposing of the batteries never mind making electricity for the batteries is an environmental nightmare and that is conveniently being ignored. Without going to nukes it is all a fantasy.

 

I suspect you are right but it seems that we are on a crash effort to switch to e-cars with less than a thorough examination of what is required for long term use. At the moment, resources are not a big concern because, world-wide, E-cars make up a barely measurable percentage of powered vehicles. But whether the scientific community has really studied the long term resource issue and declared that it's not a problem or it's just politicians jumping on whatever the latest trendy viewpoint is, I don't know.

OTOH, in the 1970's scientists who supposedly did know said we'd be out of oil by the 90's...

 

Harley made an electric bike, I dont think they are selling many of them . For all of you that are sick of ICEs, you wont have any problem selling your Ferraris to someone who will absolutely love them, people like myself. When Ferrari starts building slot cars , no it will not be a real Ferrari, its that simple, thats about as insane as Ducati going electric. Ferrari does not care about anything but money, thats why they are going electric, they know there are plenty of people out there who will want to buy them, maybe they'll say, " my electric Ferrari is faster than your tesla" , good grief. I wonder how the Porsche guys are going to feel when the first 911 slot car comes out for sale, maybe they will call it 911 e ? Rifle, I would be interested in buying your 328 once you sell it, maybe you will buy something that wont hurt your ears !! lol Im not interested in how a car pushes me back into the seat, Im interested in design and driving experience, if I want to accelerate fast, I will jump on my Hyabusa, which will smoke any car out there, electric or not. Maybe some of you forgot, Ferrari used to mean, the most incredible driving experience that the world has ever seen, whether it be a v6 or a v12 / v8 / flat 12 . There is no driving experience with e cars , unless of course your sliding one around a corner of your slot car track.

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The Lamborghini, TR, 328, Lightning and E55 all have stock exhaust systems.

Ferrari is building electric cars because they have to. As ill advised as some of our home grown environmental initiatives are Europe has got it real bad, particularly Germany and to a slightly lesser extent, the UK. The US, UK and Germany are the 3 biggest markets for Ferrari and if they want to continue building and selling cars a growing percentage of them will need to be electric to continue to be allowed to do so. .

 

"For all of you that are sick of ICEs, , you wont have any problem selling your Ferraris to someone who will absolutely love them, people like myself."

Owning one of these cars won't be much of an experience when there is no way to refuel it because fuel is so expensive it is not feasible to buy unless you are Jay Leno! That is the logical approach to "encourage" electric cars - just increase the tax on gasoline/diesel so that it becomes too painful for most people to deal with. If gasoline was $10/gallon in the USA, I suspect most folks would be happy to switch to electric.

Again, whether the switch to electric IS as good for the world as the E-enthusiasts/E-car makers claim is a different issue...

If you do any internet research on the subject you will find plenty of opinions both ways.

 

There are already several cities in EU and UK where all but electric cars are banned from operating. That will become more common and become a reality here.

I am glad I am getting old. With luck Texas will put much of the stupidity off until I am too old to care or dead.

 

When have politicians or environmental extremists ever given a moments thought to the law of unintended consequences.? Most make decisions based on feelings without any application of logic. They will beat that dead horse until they die in office or another technology is discovered. We have a serious national shortage of electricity now with no scientifically possible plan to solve it. Off peak electricity usage is the only thing keeping our power grids and generation systems from collapsing and guess what period electric cars are being recharged? Those very same off peak hours. Guess what happens when 1/3 of our current cars are replaced with electric? Night time becomes our peak hours. We have no plan in place to address any of that. Finding a big fairy dust mine is our only chance of making that work.

 

I've really debated weighing in on this topic as folks seem to have such extreme opinions regarding electric power. We tragically live in a world of extreme opinions and judgement of others (and speaking for myself, I find as I get older my tolerance and patience for change gets worse).

I definitely understand that someone may not want to put an electric powerplant in their own vehicle. I certainly don't plan to swap out the ICE in my 308. But it's notable that so many have such strong opinions about what other folks decide to do with their own vehicles--to the extent of suggesting they be excluded from car shows or the community if they don't adhere to what they consider a Ferrari. It's also remarkable that for some a Ferrari factory car with a V6, V8 or V12 is considered a "Ferrari" but one with an electric power plant is no longer a "Ferrari". It's really such a narrow and intolerant view of the passion we all enjoy.

On the positive, it's a sign that this community has a deep passion for the brand and the 3x8 in particular.

Regardless, I wanted to refute the notion that a vehicle powered by an electric powerplant is "no fun to drive". While the experience is different from an ICE, a properly setup electric vehicle offers a completely different trackside experience and is an absolute blast. Three things that are quite different from an ICE: Response, Noise and Vibration. While an electric track vehicle is far from quiet, the noise is certainly different and lower than an ICE. This means you have a significantly better aural sense of the track -- tire noise and chassis play a larger role in your senses. Similarly, vehicle vibration is almost entirely composed of chassis and road. Lastly, both the throttle response and the motor audio response are about 5-10x better than an ICE which means the driver's sense and control of power application is heightened. Having been involved in the highest levels of motorsports for the past 30 years as well as road vehicle development, most talented drivers will rank vehicle response and road feel/sense in the top 5 attributes of "drivability". In this regard, electric powerplants do not disappoint.

 

I am sure you are correct. What I find amusing is the total rejection of any race car that doesn't make a huge amount of noise. As if most spectators can tell anything from that noise. I can but would far prefer they made so little noise I could conduct a normal conversation in the hot pits.

 

I see how popular the Formula e has become, NOT. A far as fun factor, I dont think so, ( if some say to the contrary, theyre liers ) the fact that they are quiet on a race track, who the hell would want to go to a race ??? As far as talented race car drivers making faster laps and getting better feedback because the e cars STERILITY , not a chance . are you kidding me ? . As far as car shows, no one says they cant show up, but when they do, with their electric powered Ferrari, they should have their head examined lol , whether its from the factory or home grown. Some folks have absolutely forgot about what Ferrari stands for, Im not surprised , we are living in the age of insanity, so I guess they fit right in. Sure , have your talented driver do laps in an e car, and then in an F40, and ask what he or she thinks , or any other Ferrari for that matter, good grief. " oh yeh the e car was so much more fun, " bull****. "I would much rather drive an ecar, than a Lambo V12 , or a Ferrari V12, less I hear that awful noise coming from the exhaust system " , oh but what about those first edition V6 F1 cars, were there not people complaining about the lack of sound ?????
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I understand those have very good salvage value. There are several companies using them as donors for other commercial products. A P-Wagen friend tells me someone is using them to build electric P-Wagens. Supposed to have better weight distribution so handle better and killer fast.

 

Nothing against Fe but I am glad I got to experience F1 live in the 3l v10 era.


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Thank you for so perfectly and succinctly providing a demonstration of my concerns with your masterful post. Kudos.

 

The heart and soul of any Ferrari is the engine.

Remove and replace the engine with an electric motor - You remove it's soul!

That 308 is no longer a real Ferrari

 

The tesla plaid model S has 1100 Hp and does well at the Nuburgring .

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