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Issue with Kingsborne 7mm wires

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  1. ColGraves

    ColGraves Karting

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    #1 ColGraves, Jun 13, 2021
    Three years ago, I changed my wires out to Kingsborne 7mm mag-wire (WSP 1306). Recently, I started having an ever increasing richness on bank 1. After standard troubleshooting, found three of my wires with infinite resistance. To ensure it was not the connections, I took the wires from the boots, and measured the resistance on the sawtooth connectors themselves, and still infinite.

    Wires look great from the outside. No sing of damage on them.

    Anyone ever have this experience? Why would they "degrade" like that? Is there a better way to assemble them, or tricks I am missing?
     
  2. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #2 fatbillybob, Jun 13, 2021
    IMO the solution is to improve reliability and go with MSW cop conversion. You will not win concourse for originality but you will be a winner. Contact cribbJ to see if they are still making them.
     
  3. ColGraves

    ColGraves Karting

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    #3 ColGraves, Jun 13, 2021
    FatBillyBob,

    Once again, thanks for your sage advice, sir. I have reached out to John. I struggle with these damn wires, so this is the move I should make.

    If you ever find yourself in the NYC area, look me up. I owe you some scotch for the advice over the years!!

    Cheers,
    Chris
     
  4. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #4 fatbillybob, Jun 13, 2021
    You will not be disappointed. MSW is OEM quality at minimum. I have run most of their products and they have all been flawless. COP is how the 550 should have come. It nicely cleans up the engine bay too.
     
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  5. niftyfivefifty

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    #5 niftyfivefifty, Jun 13, 2021
    Last I spoke with cribbJ he said they were no longer making the COP kits.
     
  6. ColGraves

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    #6 ColGraves, Jun 14, 2021
    @Cribbj, I bet we could scout up three or four more clients to justify waking the elves up on the production line!! (Please say yes, please say yes, please say yes!)


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
  7. Davidspop

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    #7 Davidspop, Jun 14, 2021
    Any reason why this conversion would not work on the 456 GT engine?
     
  8. tazandjan

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    #8 tazandjan, Jun 14, 2021
    None, problem is John lost the guy who was doing the harnesses for him. Not sure if he found anybody else.
     
  9. Cribbj

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    #9 Cribbj, Jun 28, 2021
    Yes, my harness builder suffered a stroke a few years back and that effectively put me out of business. No one else wanted to build the harnesses to my quality standard and price point, however I've recently found someone who "may" be willing to do it, and wonder of wonders he's a supplier to the F1 crowd!

    I'm also dealing with a divorce that has dragged on for nearly two years and has isolated me from my tools, test equipment and my car, but hopefully it will be finished by the end of July and I can get my life back on track.

    If all goes well, I'll make a new thread when the COP kits will be available again.
     
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  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #10 tazandjan, Jun 28, 2021
    John- Sorry to hear about the divorce. Good news on the COP kits.
     
  11. losgatos789

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    #11 losgatos789, Jun 29, 2021
    John,

    We PMed long ago about the COP for 456Ms. Count me in if you sell COP for the 456M. BTW, the MSW steering ECU for the 456M is still in since day 1 received. A real treat.

    -stu
     
  12. Davidspop

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    #12 Davidspop, Jun 29, 2021
    When you are ready to test COP on 456 GT, count me in as a test subject!
     
  13. hwyman

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    #13 hwyman, Jun 29, 2021
    Count me in on the COP's if they come available
     
  14. Konadog06

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    #14 Konadog06, Jun 29, 2021
    John we have missed you and look forward to your full return. Wishing the Best!
    Bill
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  15. Cribbj

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    #15 Cribbj, Jun 30, 2021
    Thanks guys for all the kind words! I'm looking forward to getting plugged back into the community, assuming my soon-to-be-ex doesn't clean me out and I'm sleeping under an overpass, LOL!
     
  16. Davidspop

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    #16 Davidspop, Jun 30, 2021
    Bring your Ferrari to Florida and I've got some extra bedrooms you can use!
     
  17. Timmo

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    #17 Timmo, Aug 30, 2021
    Just bumping this thread in the hope to hear back from John. Has anyone heard from him lately? Am I the only one hoping for MSW upgrades to be available again?
     
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  18. Salami

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    #18 Salami, Aug 30, 2021
    I’d also be interested in a cop conversion for 456. Just saying.
     
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  19. dr_rob

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    #19 dr_rob, Oct 23, 2021
    Same, I am also interested. Hope all is well.
     
  20. Davidspop

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    #20 Davidspop, Oct 26, 2021
    Me too
     
  21. Timmo

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    #21 Timmo, Apr 11, 2022
    Bumpity bump...
     
  22. Ferrari55whoa

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    #22 Ferrari55whoa, Apr 12, 2022
    Keep me on the list as well (thread subscribed).

    My 550 already has a set but I’m a weirdo that would buy a spare because with any luck I plan on owning my car for more than 20 more years.
     
  23. Aerosurfer

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    #23 Aerosurfer, Apr 12, 2022
    Ditto here for a 456 set, if it helps get you back in the saddle!
     
  24. belfry

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    #24 belfry, Apr 13, 2022
    That's quite strange to have 3 wires go like that. All on the same side? Does the resistance change if you wiggle the wire? It might be worth trying to strip one of the wires to find the break?

    When I changed all of my leads I used Beru 7mm cable without issues so far.
     

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