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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Benedetto Vigna has be recruited to achieve the electrification of the Ferrari brand by 2030.
     
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    Oops, I just threw up a little in my mouth. :eek:
     
  3. william

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    Yes, I know, it won't be to everyone's taste, but manufacturers know they are living on borrowed time with the ICE.
     
  4. DF1

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    Makers are 'tech' companies now. Next week, ice cream companies. E-motive is the future. Not V12 Lambo's. Those are fun but in terms of tech, survivability and profits = E and or some hybrid. Ferrari and all PUBLIC held companies know this as do their MAJOR stock holders. It cannot be avoided.
     
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    Ferrari fans hated the transition from stick shift to floppy paddles. I can only imagine how much a shift from ICE to all E will be welcome.

    The last ICE Ferrari will sell out like hot cakes and become a collector's item immediately.
     
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  6. DF1

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    One day forward to the future, it will need you to create its fuel lol. When most fossil fuel is gone what will it be worth. Collectable and sitting? Flappy paddles sold out as well. Ferrari sell all. Ferrari will survive and probably inspire us with its new offerings!
     
  7. william

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    There could be some places left on earth where ICE will never be banned, but they will not provide a market to keep manufacturing them.

    For those who knew ICE, we will miss them, I guess. Not in terms of performance, but of character.

    A Ferrari powered by Siemens doen't sound the same as V12 4-cam does it?
     
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  8. william

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    The thing is, fossil fuel will never be completely gone!

    Oil extraction will still exist for many more applications than providing energy.
     
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  9. DF1

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    Agree of course. For auto's it will be in the minority in farther future.
     
  10. ago car nut

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    IMHO, I believe it will be a long time before ICE is in the minority.
     
  11. rovexienus

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    Agreed, it will be the time taken for acceptable electricity supply and storage to catch up with the demand created by a majority of EV worldwide.
     
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    Just like on production cars...going to "big" wheels is a farce designed to go along with the rest of the smoke and mirrors. While Porsche pushes "big" wheels on their latest street cars, it offers nothing that can't be accomplished with the old stock 16 and 17 inch rims. F1 (in their effort to constantly increase the cost of the sport) has found something else to fix, that wasn't broken.
     
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  13. Mitch Alsup

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    {Given car weighing more than 3000 pounds and with more than 400 HP}
    If you want to accelerate longitudinally at the fastest rate you car can run, 17-18" wheels are optimum.
    If you want to accelerate laterally at the fastest rate you car can run, 18"-19" wheels are optimum.
    There is the largest selection of sticky and side tires in the 17"-19" size range.

    After 17" (maybe 18") the wheel is getting heavier faster than the tire is getting lighter.

    Endurance cars use microscopic sidewalls and stupidly large wheels so they can put bigger brakes inside the wheel.
    If you are not increasing the brake rotor and remounting the caliper to fit in the wheel, you essentially gain nothing from larger wheels.
     
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  14. william

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    Big wheels means low profile tyres which are better for handling.
    The sidewalls are reduced, so the effort to the contact patch is instant as the tyre is more ridid and with no lateral fexion.

    In the opposite smaller wheels offer tyres with high profile, and are better for comfort.
    By a rule of thumbs, the more air volume in a tyre, the more it helps the suspension to absorb irregularities.

    Horses for courses. For a sport car on circuit, low profile tyres are a must, but for a comfortable ride in a limousine, high profile are better.
    Of course, marketing and fashion come to play. People tend to like big wheels because they fill better the wheel arches
     
  15. ago car nut

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    Big wheels are the fad today. F1 will have to increase suspension travel with lower profile tires.
     
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  16. Mitch Alsup

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    Most (over ½) of the suspension travel in F1 today is in the sidewalls of the tires !!

    I expect to see a lot of tire deflations next year as teams figure out that the 13" wheels give the sidewalls enough flex on the kerbs that the 18" sidewalls don't.
     
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    I am well aware of what you say. However the uber low profile track wheel/tire is not the best tire for a road car that has to drive
    the streets of LA or the Targa Floria. If F1 wants to claim that their technology can be utilized by real world cars, then they should be
    not making the same mistakes that modern car makers continue to make. If F1 had gone to 14 or 15 it would make sense. But 18 will
    only lead to 19, and the G Forces are already at the max. The extra air in the current tire is what allows them to hit the curbs and survive.
     
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  18. william

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    It's good if the new wheel size gives a different challenge to the engineers, and also curb the enthusiast of drivers to go kerb-hopping at will.
     
  19. william

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    The manufacturers started to offer low profile tyres because of pressure from customers who like big wheels on their cars.

    Most road testers will tell that low profile affect negatively the comfort, but still people won't listen.

    I don't think F1 will go further than 18.
     
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    Neither the size nor the weight of the cars are addressed by the new 2022 rules "change".

    Bearing in mind that each team redesign a new car every 1 or 2 years, it doesn't make sense.
     
  23. Mitch Alsup

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    In the 1970s a driver would get a new chassis about every 3 races even when he did not bend it.
    Schumacher and Barrichello went though 6 chassis in one of their years together.
    In each case the new chassis was an improvement over the old one (not a copy, but learned from the previous)
     
  24. DF1

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    New sprint race should not decide F1 title, says Brawn

    So lets not use them Ross lol!
     
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