Ferrari Announcing New Sports Car

I make due with 308hp in my Boxster RS60, but I agree that the last NA 6cyl manual Boxster will be the car to keep. It’s the best sports car value out there. Ferrari used to make up the value deficit with passion, but not any more.

 

I'm interested to see this car, and expect the performance to be surprising.

 

Well this is definatly not true. Get off your personal preference web sites and do some real research.

 

Me too! I’m interested about the price. I’m waiting to see if I go tributo or this.


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I think most fchat folks wants Ferrari to do 911R kind of product


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^ @tsky and the same applies to you......
its absolutely true. no political bias at all, just the facts ma’am.

 

They have, for about 30 years now. You can walk into any dealer and buy a challenge car, my buddy just did that. If you want track support the XX program has been going on for 15+ years. If you want to race, the challenge series is open.

 

Yup both valid perspectives.

I would think Ferrari, now being a public company, would want to appeal to more than just the 0-60 crowd. I think theres room in their lineup to appeal to people like me, of which i dont think number an insignificant amount.

 

I mean even the w16 hit only 1,800 in the 1 of 1 track only edition. Oil change cost? $25,000.

is it possible that we go w32? To hit 3,000 hp?

Say we find out electrical is even more carcinogenic like oil, Of course the world may go back to ICE.

But I’m not able to afford $50k annual oil changes and the 2 million dollar price tag for the next 3,000 hp ice car; so the Tesla plaid at 1,100 hp at $130k seems more pragmatic (to me.)

I will say you are a blessed man indeed, and sincerely glad you can afford it, makes sense in your money no object situation that any mad max-sequel paradigm is completely practical.

kind regards.

 

here's some research:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/business/lithium-mining-race.html

 

Paywall for me..and I'm not giving the New York times a red cent.

If the artical is what I think it is..it has already been debunked as hyperbole.

 

That wasn’t exactly as anticipated either.

 

Please send debunking link

And, if you open the NYT story in a private/incognito window it should be shown.

In the meantime, try these:

https://www.mining.com/lithium-price-50-of-hard-rock-miners-are-losing-money/

https://qz.com/1975325/electric-cars-are-fueling-the-uss-lithium-mining-boom/

https://theconversation.com/politically-charged-do-you-know-where-your-batteries-come-from-80886

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/14/electric-cost-lithium-mining-decarbonasation-salt-flats-chile

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/six-largest-lithium-reserves-world/

Otherwise, please provide references that indicate what lithium mining is in your perspective.

 

Paul, I readily admitted that at some point we’ll reach the inflection point where EV overtakes ICE. We’re just not there yet. I think we are still about 5-10 years out. In the meantime, we’ll suffer through some not quite ready for prime time EV offerings, and completely miss out on what should have been an almost unimaginably cool range of final generation ICE offerings. It’s unforgivable. If I come across as bitter, it’s because I am.

I am blessed. In this category of cars, as long as the maintenance is somewhat sensible in the near term, it’s really an afterthought. I had no idea that some people were willing pay $25,000 for an oil change or a basic annual. That’s well beyond my comfort zone, but more power to them.

 

Off topic- 911r is not a challenge car. I’m not sure how you drifted the conversation to challenge cars lol
911R is a manual car that has modern performance but modern convenience , challenge series not event road legal !


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we are not ready for all electric in 10 yrs.
that requires replacing millions and millions of cars world wide per yr. the supply chain can not manufacture that many batteries.

 

I think you are correct, I’ve been thinking about 5-10 years out as well. The EV offerings are getting better though, and I think those of us who are buying now are definitely still early adopters. But look at this from another perspective:

5 years will come sooner that we all think. If you buy a brand new ICE car now, how difficult will it be to sell in 5 years if most people are looking for/buying EV cars? Classic and exotic are probably exempt from this, as I think they will be in demand by a smaller audience for a long time. But say you buy a brand new Mercedes. How much of a hit are you going to be taking in 5 years?

 

Then perhaps it’s the new Purosangue, the much heralded SUV / GT4 Lusso replacement


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It is not. Purosangue will come mid/late 2022.
It is the V6, little brother "LB" (see separate thread). Plenty of information there.

Marcel Massini

 

Ok, now I know you're either trolling or too lazy to watch a 2 minute video direct from Ferrari.

 

the problem for me is that I don't want anymore hp unless it was something absolutely crazy like the AM Valk which is a game changer and a halo car

i'd rather have a very lightweight ferrari but even if this new car has a carbon fiber tub then the hybrid element will prevent it from being light anyway

 

I assume in the broccoli analogy you mean EVs are good for the environment and therefore good for all of us. The problem with this is that the discussions around EVs and their environmental advantageousness focus on rather average passenger cars with battery sizes that don't need to feed a an 1000+ hp electric motor and uses cases which expect a certain mileage over a car/battery's useful lifetime. Both parameter, battery size and mileage are crucial for the calculation to determine whether an EV as an ecological advantage over an comparable ICE car. In case of powerful and expensive exotics the characteristics of both parameters go against the the environmental advantageousness of EVs, as you really need massive batteries which makes the initial carbon impact enormous compared to an average car. Plus the fact that exotics get driven a lot less than average cars might most probably make it impossible to reach the critical mileage to compensate the carbon package on the cars' shoulders (i.e. get an advantage over ICE through mileage), not even when assuming exotics would feature just an average size battery.

 

Ferrari lost the plot when it denied customers a gated manual option.

I respect that the market wants the car to shift on its own. I have no respect for Ferrari taking away the option for potential buyers. Porsche hasn’t.

Matt

 

Stick shifts are slow. If one is selling ultimate performance numbers a car that optimizes itself is required. Most modern buyers seem to want bragging rights, regardless of the actual use of the car.

And that bragging right desire isn't limited to modern drivers. I doubt many 3x8s or 330GTs actually saw serious track time despite being hotrods in their day.

 

Excellent points. I was using broccoli as a tongue in cheek analogy to parents forcing kids to eat it. We’re being forced to like EV and last year in the US EV sales were like 2.5% of overall sales, most all of which occur in coastal elite communities. Meanwhile, my 5 ICE supercars will get about 4000-5000 miles combined this year. Low volume manufacturers should not have to comply with these goofy regulations.