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StyrianGP 2021 Pre-Race Thread - Part 1 of a double header

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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Pirelli has two separate tyre allocations for the Austrian double-header.

    - StyrianGP: C2,C3,C4.
    - AustrianGP: C3,C4,C5.

    Pirelli: These two separate nominations have been made to create a differential between the two races, providing some strategic variation with the introduction of the softest compound for the second weekend.

    Mario Isola: Once again after last year Austria hosts a back-to-back race, which means that the teams have plenty of data on this track and recent experience of how to deal with its particular challenges and tactics.

    Isola: However, having two different tyre nominations is a first for the Red Bull Ring, so it's going to be interesting to see how the teams get to grips with the softest C5 tyres for the second race weekend – and how the new selection influences strategy in order to create different opportunities compared to the preceding Steiermark Grand Prix.

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  2. jgonzalesm6

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  3. DF1

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    Weather and tires. Again lol :)
     
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    It will be a Red Bull weather weekend for the Styrian GP. Austrian, tbd...
     
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    Charles last helmet was horrible, hope he goes back to the good one!
     
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    The rear wing rethink defining F1's title battle
    By: Matt Somerfield
    Co-author: Giorgio Piola
    Jun 22, 2021, 5:32 AM
    The tiny margin between Formula 1's title protagonists Red Bull and Mercedes is forcing both to rethink their aerodynamic set-up at races this year.

    With speed gains in any area now being enough to swing form one way or another, the two teams have been locked in a game of cat and mouse about set-up approaches.


    Of particular focus has been downforce levels, and especially rear wing configurations, as both balance the right level of downforce needed against the drag and impact this will have on tyres for qualifying and the race.

    The drama surrounding flexi-wings fuelled intrigue about the designs of both teams, but that's not been the only development in a fight that is incredibly tight.

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    Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes W12, passes Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes W12

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    The Portuguese Grand Prix was the first real sign that the teams were so close to each other that they were making concessions in order to one-up their rival.

    In that instance, Lewis Hamilton's car was fitted with a lower downforce rear wing, which gave him the straight line speed boost needed to overhaul not only Verstappen but his team mate too.

    The wing used by Hamilton employed the double wing pillar configuration, but also features a smaller mainplane and top flap, with the latter having a much shallower V-groove in the centre too.

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    It was in Spain where the drama increased though, as Red Bull had arrived with a new rear wing that would be traditional fare for what is considered a high downforce circuit.

    The wing featured the more traditional shape and deeper profile in order to provide the downforce and balance required by the lower speed corners of the Circuit de Barcelona Catalunya.

    However, with an eye on its rival down the pitlane, and not wanting to be susceptible to being overtaken, as it had been in Portugal, Red Bull switched to its spoon shaped rear wing for FP3, qualifying and the race.

    This, of course, was the catalyst for the discourse over flexi-wings, as Lewis Hamilton and Toto Wolff made comments that threw the practice under the spotlight once more.

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    The higher downforce wing was obviously on the menu for both Red Bull and Mercedes as the sport returned to Monaco.

    But, unlike the other teams, Red Bull opted to run without a T-wing for the extra stability and nominal downforce it can provide.

    Meanwhile, over at Mercedes, it opted for its more simplistic but marginally more effective double element T-wing to try to help stabilize the rear end and give its drivers a little more confidence on a circuit that was never going to be a happy hunting ground for the silver arrows.

    Red Bull was all set to take centre stage in Azerbaijan, as the threat of protests regarding its rear wing intensified.

    But, it arrived at the street track with an entirely new design, one with the express intent of cutting downforce and drag and essentially nullifying the need for a wing that overtly flexed.

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    The new design featured a more gentle curvature to the lower portion of the mainplane, whilst the design features normally added to the endplate, such as the upwash strikes, serrated cutout and sinuous louvres, were all removed.

    Meanwhile, Mercedes was struggling to get the best out of the W12 during Friday's free practice sessions in Azerbaijan and so opted to split its drivers once more.

    Bottas pressed-on with the double pillar configuration that was also set-up with more downforce in mind, whilst Hamilton switched to the single pillar arrangement with a lower downforce configuration.

    And, whilst Bottas continued to struggle, even though the extra downforce should have helped fire temperature into the tyres, Hamilton's W12 came to life and put him back in contention with the front runners.

    The new technical directives surrounding the flexi-wings came into force for the French Grand Prix, putting to bed any question marks over the legality of the wings being used by the teams.

    However, the game of cat and mouse between Mercedes and Red Bull continued at Paul Ricard, as whilst Red Bull ran the pre-Baku specification rear wing during Friday's sessions, it made the switch to the lower downforce wing for the rest of the weekend.

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    Mercedes went in the opposite direction though, as whilst it tested both versions of its rear wing on Friday, it opted for the higher downforce arrangement on both cars for qualifying and the race, which was once again paired with the single centrally mounted pillar, rather than the double swan-neck pillar arrangement.

    The choice between the two configurations not only has a bearing on the performance of the wing under normal conditions though, as the strength of the DRS when it's deployed also has to be factored in.

    In the end, Red Bull's low downforce solution won out: as it gave Verstappen the straightline speed advantage that helped him hold off Hamilton after the first stops, and then overtake the Briton late on.

    It's been fascinating to see how the battle over wings has played out over the course of the first seven races of the season, as it's a sort of mini tactical battle between the pair that's forcing both to make a choice that ultimately neither is probably comfortable with.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-rear-wing-rethink-defining-f1s-title-battle/6596101/
     
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    Hopefully the FIA will clamp down on front wings which I believe will have a big impact on Mercedes
     
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    Ferrari grappling with excessive front tyre wear problem

    Ferrari's French Grand Prix problems showed a long-standing weakness with front tyre wear has not gone away and they need to fix it for next season, according to team boss Mattia Binotto.

    Sunday's race at Paul Ricard was the first time Ferrari had failed to score this year, with Spaniard Carlos Sainz 11th and Monegasque Charles Leclerc 16th.

    They had qualified fifth and seventh respectively, with Leclerc on pole at the two previous races in Monaco and Azerbaijan, but Ferrari ended the weekend dropping from third to fourth overall in the constructors' championship.

    "We have not been capable of making the tyres work as we should have done and I think our performance was really strictly linked to the tyres, the way we made them work," Binotto told reporters.

    Le Castellet did not host a race last year due to the COVID-19 pandemic but Binotto said hot conditions and high speed corners putting a lot of energy into the tyres had been a problem in the past.

    "We should have addressed it and it's not yet the case," Binotto said. "Looking at the future it's important for us as a lesson learned."

    He said it would take more than development of the current car to fix the problem, however.

    "To solve it, I think we need to have some hardware change, like for example the rims, which is not possible for regulations," the Italian added.

    "I think it's more important for us to try to understand and to address it definitively for next year. In the meanwhile I think that this issue will happen again at some races but not on all the tracks."

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/31685757/ferrari-grappling-excessive-front-tyre-wear-problem
     
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    Still looks like rain at least some part of all three days including Sunday.
     
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    Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain!
     
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    Three DRS zones:

    DRS DETECTION 1: [160m before T1]
    DRS ACTIVATION 1: [102m before T1]
    DRS DETECTION 2: [40m before T3]
    DRS ACTIVATION 2: [100m after T3]
    DRS DETECTION 3: [120m before T10]
    DRS ACTIVATION 3: [106m after T10]


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  16. DF1

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    Maybe rain. I dont see how RedBull is slowed to pole and victory here. They are strong.
     
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    This is really sad that they have not addressed this issue. Perez is the perfect example of what can be achieved when able to manage tires (both at RP and now at RB). Vettel as well, almost going the distance on Med in two consecutive races. I've been hoping that Leclerc could get a grip on this with respect to driving style and setup, but either he doesn't 'get it' or the car is just ****ed up.
     
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    Yep lets hope Max dominates
     
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    Do you think Mercedes may have turned down the power slightly for the first half of the season, in order to leave some endurance and power in reserve for the second half? And maybe pinning some hope on Red Bull's engine imploding (based on Toto's belief that RB's engine now has more power). And maybe caught out by RB's aerodynamics combined with extra power.
     
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    Unlikely, if RB start pulling ahead in the next few races predict a Merc implosion with mistakes at every race.
     
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    And finger pointing....
     
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    No. Mercs problems are the inability to keep their tires in the correct temperature range. The reconfiguration of the floor changed their aero/stability so the car runs with more downforce and still has tricky cornering in change-of-direction sections. The RBR was not as impacted by the FIA-mandated floor changes so their development is pretty straightforward.
     
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    Weather update currently.


    After three days of glorious sunshine and 30C+ temperatures, a storm has hit Spielberg and the surrounding area. Giant hail stones clattering the roof of the hotel. Storms predicted Friday through Sunday.
     
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