NEW MID ENGINED V6 (LITTLE BROTHER)

I've been reading about the 296 throughout the day, watching the videos, and looking at the photos. Like many, but not all, Ferraris, the 296 doesn't appear to photograph well. For me, there are some angles that just don't seem to work in photos, but when seen in the very same perspective in the videos, they look amazing. This is a phenomenon with objects containing multiple compound curves presented in 2D. I'm sure it will look great in person, and that's the visual perspective that matters. From the technical standpoint, they seemed to have built something remarkable. I love the part of the video where the specifics of designing "Fun to Drive" are explained. On that note, I think it's a smart move for Ferrari to build a car with that design purpose in mind. Finally, I imagine this car will sound nice. Six cylinder engines with the correct exhaust set-up can be made to sound much like a V12. I have experience with that in aviation. There's reason to believe the 296 will sound better than the F8, SF90, and Roma. Overall, I'm very impressed and look forward to seeing the 296 in person.

 

I believe the battery is on the floor and 2 cells smaller than SF90 weight saving only 10kg. With the lack of S duct and electric 4wd up front the frunk should be decent size?

 

In Ferrari's own release video they clearly state it is not replacing any existing line, but rather creating a new category. So I don't think your dealer knows what he's talking about.

Ray

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They seem to have conveniently changed their story for marketing purposes and don't want to use the word replace in case it stops existing sales of F8. But previously they had no problem saying saying F8 was the last of the v8 non hybrid mid mount and, that Sf90 and LB (now known as 296) would be replacing the non hybrid mid mount v8 models. So no matter which way you slice it these hybrids ARE replacing the F8/488 series and, are therefore indeed a replacement! Everyone knows these 2 new cars are not a 488/F8 continuation of non bybrid models, and therefore are a new model and, segment, but as there is no more newer non hybrid v8's then they are a replacement and all the marketing spin in the world is not going to alter that fact. The only way these hybrids can escape being called a replacement is by Ferrari continuing on with non hybridised v8 mid mounts. So where are they?

 

Listening to the press conference the marketing guy was very careful with his words ,not outright ruling out another V8 to replace the F8 in the line up.The future is "unpredictable" as he says

 

Then who in their right mind would buy one of these hybrid mid mounts if they were able to buy non hybrid v8 or v6 mid-mounts?

What's unpredictable is how many of these they will sell at the prices they are asking. Also whats really unpredictable is how reliable they will prove and what they will be worth 3 to 4 years down the track. So yes on that note id agree with him the future is indeed very unpredictable!

He may be exercising caution as he may be having to back peddle soon by making some more non hybrid mid mounts if the market doesn't take enough of these up.

 

I agree. I'm not convinced that they build cars to specifically compete with another brands cars in specific segments. They are all looking to find niches in the market place to place they products.

 

In the video i believe i heard it was in the same location. The 296 GTB has the same subframe as the SF90 . The new Portofino and Roma will also follow suit.

 

I started to watch the full Ferrari release video tonight, but I had to turn it off about 1/2 way through. I mean, come on it's all just fake CGI nonsense. The guys behind the wheel aren't even actually driving the car; it's just one big digital sham - and if one more of Italian vegan tells me about "fun to drive", I'm liable to break out my WWII trench knife and go to work removing kidneys.

Someone wake me up when Chris Harris actually drives this 296 on a track.

Ray

 

Thanks to an innovative design manufactured using laser welding, the 296 GTB’s high voltage battery has a 7.45 kWh capacity and a competitive weight/power ratio. The battery pack is located under the floor and to minimise volume and weight, the cooling system, structure and fixing points are integrated into a single component. The cell modules contain 80 cells connected in series. Each Cell Supervisor Controller is installed directly in the modules to reduce volume and weight.

 

I see what you're getting at; but given that Ferrari seems intent on selling as many cars these days as humanly possible, I bet we see another turbo V8 in a few years.

Ray

 

If they aren't careful, they are going to fall victim to the Chinese menu syndrome. 150 dishes and nobody can figure out what to order.

Ray

 

No one noticed the holes in the car? Like they couldnt compensate a larger grill and reroute air where needed.
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This car is not an entry level: this is the F8 replacement (next year), very well studied. It had to be Hybrid due to EU pollution rulements, so to reduce the weight increase they skipped to the V6, that is smaller and lighter. And in F1 there is a V6T, so it also has racing heritage. This said, each manufacturer has his plus and minus, but Ferrari is the benchmark and the market leader. The engine is a three liters V6, but has the same power as the V8 of 488 GTB and 100 hp more than 458: not bad! And, above all, is very nice: Artura looks (imo) a poor design if comparted to this 296. Yes, there still is the Huracan and his wonderful sound coming from its V10 NA, but how much will it last long? And it has 200 Hp less: power (sometimes...) matters, when you spend 300+ k in an "useless" emotion only car.

They are already testing (as all the competitors, R&D departments always work) the next step, the VS: that will go over the F8 Pista power with the ICE only.

Ciao

 

Yes with all that CGI I was waiting for an offical Ferrari video game to launch at the sametime.

 

So more than 720 PS from ICE and about 170 PS from the electric motor, that would get the V6 VS even closer to the SF90 power output...I know this isn't the right thread, but what's the next step for the hybrid V8?

 

296 = Fun To Drive (compared with what F8/SF90?)

SF90= hmm well its faster but boring AF?

There will be some who will buy it because its the latest Ferrari,other's might take a deep breath before jumping in,or just pass on the whole Hybrid thingy for now.

 

Same market segment.


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between the engine and the gearbox

 

Good official write up in the press release / summary here https://corporate.ferrari.com/en/296-gtb-defining-fun-drive

 

I really like how Ferrari is articulating a very clear message 296 is going to be very exciting to drive, quoting sound and driver connection as key elements! This is extremely good news for the enthusiast and exactly what Ferrari needs to get back into the game. We could well be looking at a big winner here guys! Going by what they say 296 is far more exciting to drive than SF90 and it certainly looks 1000% better.

 

I like the 296. So much better looking than that SF90 disaster. A real step forward. Great to see it reverse the trend of bigger and bigger cars.

Sadly, after the initial price froth of year 1, I think there is a good chance these will struggle to hold their value compared to the F8. The reason is simply down to then battery pack and it’s cost of replacement. It’s a financial timebomb and who wants to gamble on that?!

 

the engine looks 100 times better than the car.... is it possible for the new v6 to reach over 1000 hp with or without assistance in future?

 

as far as I could understand sf90 and 296 will not have "vs" versions, but only the AF pack if you want something better. Squeeze out even more than 221hp per liter (!) of the 296 would be almost unbelievable for a car that like all modern Ferrari is also designed for "daily" use. Plus, like the sf90 the 296 already has a hybrid chasiss with carbon here and there (it seems), I can't see how Ferrari can lighten/boost up furthermore these cars starting from AF/high specific powers if not modifying them in a very extensive way, efforts worthy of a real and proper new model rather than a "vs" version

 

Don't you mean the engine sounds 100 times better? You don't need 1000 hp. This engaging into hp wars in a bid to stay on top, doing away with driver connection and sensation, making hideous disjointed designs was a huge mistake for Ferrari. New Ferrari's should be about improving driver connection, feedback, and sensations, not reducing these key elements and substituting them with nannies and circuit time bragging rights to appease and appeal to the elitist man bag set - times which are unrepeatable in the hands of owners anyway. This 296 is a recovery model - a rebirth for Ferrari as they enter the hybrid realm. They really had to do something to compete with Mclarens hybrid so this car is what Ferrari needed to put themselves back on the map. I'm only hoping it delivers as they claim.

PS. Just imagine if they stripped out 200kg by getting rid of those batteries and electric motor - 296 would be insane to drive. The new V6 also sounds way better than both SF90 and F8 going from what I can hear in the vid. And looks wise it's game over for SF90. That car is history.