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  1. spicedriver

    spicedriver F1 Rookie

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    Physics is an evolving science. There are still new theories being put forth, such as "polarizable vacuum". This Navy Patent is interesting:

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais
     
  2. tonyswfla

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    this guy "Pais" or whomever he is, makes no scientific sense - see quote below:

    Dr. Pais's most recent work represents "a classic case of pathological science." Willis says the literature for the plasma compression fusion device contains invented jargon, nonsensical statements, weak or absent evidence of an informed theoretical basis, an "overabundance of nebulous adjectives and adverbs instead of meaningful quantities in technical writing," and "lots of statements made in passing that seem to contradict basic and accepted physics."

    Willis says that Dr. Pais "references subjects that have consistently been plagued with pathological science and popular misunderstanding for decades, such as vacuum energy. It's hard not to suspect he's either drinking the kool-aid himself, or just chumming the waters for the kind of people who do."

    Maybe misinformation? who really knows, but some of his claims make no sense at all. I know there is at least one physicist on Fchat somewhere. Maybe could comment?
     
  3. spicedriver

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    #78 spicedriver, Jun 15, 2021
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    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances

    This reminds me of Col. Corso's claims of reverse engineering UFO tech from the purported New Mexico UFO crash in 1947.
     
  4. spicedriver

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    Various Military Personnel Interviews

    Col. Corso


    Brigadier General Lovekin


    Prof. Robert Jacobs


    Special Agent Richard Doty


    Lance Corporal Weygandt
     
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    DNI UFO Report: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

    UNCLASSIFIED

    OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE

    Preliminary Assessment:
    Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

    25 June 2021

    UNCLASSIFIED

    SCOPE AND ASSUMPTIONS

    Scope

    This preliminary report is provided by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) in response to the provision in Senate Report 116-233, accompanying the Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) for Fiscal Year 2021, that the DNI, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense (SECDEF), is to submit an intelligence assessment of the threat posed by unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the progress the Department of Defense Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) has made in understanding this threat.

    This report provides an overview for policymakers of the challenges associated with characterizing the potential threat posed by UAP while also providing a means to develop relevant processes, policies, technologies, and training for the U.S. military and other U.S. Government (USG) personnel if and when they encounter UAP, so as to enhance the Intelligence Community’s (IC) ability to understand the threat. The Director, UAPTF, is the accountable official for ensuring the timely collection and consolidation of data on UAP. The dataset described in this report is currently limited primarily to U.S. Government reporting of incidents occurring from November 2004 to March 2021. Data continues to be collected and analyzed.

    ODNI prepared this report for the Congressional Intelligence and Armed Services Committees. UAPTF and the ODNI National Intelligence Manager for Aviation drafted this report, with input from USD(I&S), DIA, FBI, NRO, NGA, NSA, Air Force, Army, Navy, Navy/ONI, DARPA, FAA, NOAA, NGA, ODNI/NIM-Emerging and Disruptive Technology, ODNI/National Counterintelligence and Security Center, and ODNI/National Intelligence Council.

    Assumptions

    Various forms of sensors that register UAP generally operate correctly and capture enough real data to allow initial assessments, but some UAP may be attributable to sensor anomalies.

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    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    The limited amount of high-quality reporting on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) hampers our ability to draw firm conclusions about the nature or intent of UAP. The Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) considered a range of information on UAP described in U.S. military and IC (Intelligence Community) reporting, but because the reporting lacked sufficient specificity, ultimately recognized that a unique, tailored reporting process was required to provide sufficient data for analysis of UAP events.

    • As a result, the UAPTF concentrated its review on reports that occurred between 2004 and 2021, the majority of which are a result of this new tailored process to better capture UAP events through formalized reporting.

    • Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation.

    In a limited number of incidents, UAP reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics. These observations could be the result of sensor errors, spoofing, or observer misperception and require additional rigorous analysis.

    There are probably multiple types of UAP requiring different explanations based on the range of appearances and behaviors described in the available reporting. Our analysis of the data supports the construct that if and when individual UAP incidents are resolved they will fall into one of five potential explanatory categories: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, USG or U.S. industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, and a catchall “other” bin.

    UAP clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security. Safety concerns primarily center on aviators contending with an increasingly cluttered air domain. UAP would also represent a national security challenge if they are foreign adversary collection platforms or provide evidence a potential adversary has developed either a breakthrough or disruptive technology.

    Consistent consolidation of reports from across the federal government, standardized reporting, increased collection and analysis, and a streamlined process for screening all such reports against a broad range of relevant USG data will allow for a more sophisticated analysis of UAP that is likely to deepen our understanding. Some of these steps are resource-intensive and would require additional investment.

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    AVAILABLE REPORTING LARGELY INCONCLUSIVE
    Limited Data Leaves Most UAP Unexplained…

    Limited data and inconsistency in reporting are key challenges to evaluating UAP. No standardized reporting mechanism existed until the Navy established one in March 2019. The Air Force subsequently adopted that mechanism in November 2020, but it remains limited to USG reporting. The UAPTF regularly heard anecdotally during its research about other observations that occurred but which were never captured in formal or informal reporting by those observers.

    After carefully considering this information, the UAPTF focused on reports that involved UAP largely witnessed firsthand by military aviators and that were collected from systems we considered to be reliable. These reports describe incidents that occurred between 2004 and 2021, with the majority coming in the last two years as the new reporting mechanism became better known to the military aviation community. We were able to identify one reported UAP with high confidence. In that case, we identified the object as a large, deflating balloon. The others remain unexplained.

    • 144 reports originated from USG sources. Of these, 80 reports involved observation with multiple sensors.

    o Most reports described UAP as objects that interrupted pre-planned training or other military activity.

    UAP Collection Challenges

    Sociocultural stigmas and sensor limitations remain obstacles to collecting data on UAP. Although some technical challenges—such as how to appropriately filter out radar clutter to ensure safety of flight for military and civilian aircraft—are longstanding in the aviation community, while others are unique to the UAP problem set.

    • Narratives from aviators in the operational community and analysts from the military and IC describe disparagement associated with observing UAP, reporting it, or attempting to discuss it with colleagues. Although the effects of these stigmas have lessened as senior members of the scientific, policy, military, and intelligence communities engage on the topic seriously in public, reputational risk may keep many observers silent, complicating scientific pursuit of the topic.

    • The sensors mounted on U.S. military platforms are typically designed to fulfill specific missions. As a result, those sensors are not generally suited for identifying UAP.

    • Sensor vantage points and the numbers of sensors concurrently observing an object play substantial roles in distinguishing UAP from known objects and determining whether a UAP demonstrates breakthrough aerospace capabilities. Optical sensors have the benefit of providing some insight into relative size, shape, and structure. Radiofrequency sensors provide more accurate velocity and range information.

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    But Some Potential Patterns Do Emerge

    Although there was wide variability in the reports and the dataset is currently too limited to allow for detailed trend or pattern analysis, there was some clustering of UAP observations regarding shape, size, and, particularly, propulsion. UAP sightings also tended to cluster around U.S. training and testing grounds, but we assess that this may result from a collection bias as a result of focused attention, greater numbers of latest-generation sensors operating in those areas, unit expectations, and guidance to report anomalies.

    And a Handful of UAP Appear to Demonstrate Advanced Technology

    In 18 incidents, described in 21 reports, observers reported unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics.

    Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion. In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings.

    The UAPTF holds a small amount of data that appear to show UAP demonstrating acceleration or a degree of signature management. Additional rigorous analysis are necessary by multiple teams or groups of technical experts to determine the nature and validity of these data. We are conducting further analysis to determine if breakthrough technologies were demonstrated.

    UAP PROBABLY LACK A SINGLE EXPLANATION

    The UAP documented in this limited dataset demonstrate an array of aerial behaviors, reinforcing the possibility there are multiple types of UAP requiring different explanations. Our analysis of the data supports the construct that if and when individual UAP incidents are resolved they will fall into one of five potential explanatory categories: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, USG or industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, and a catchall “other” bin. With the exception of the one instance where we determined with high confidence that the reported UAP was airborne clutter, specifically a deflating balloon, we currently lack sufficient information in our dataset to attribute incidents to specific explanations.

    Airborne Clutter: These objects include birds, balloons, recreational unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), or airborne debris like plastic bags that muddle a scene and affect an operator’s ability to identify true targets, such as enemy aircraft.

    Natural Atmospheric Phenomena: Natural atmospheric phenomena includes ice crystals, moisture, and thermal fluctuations that may register on some infrared and radar systems.

    USG or Industry Developmental Programs: Some UAP observations could be attributable to developments and classified programs by U.S. entities. We were unable to confirm, however, that these systems accounted for any of the UAP reports we collected.

    Foreign Adversary Systems: Some UAP may be technologies deployed by China, Russia, another nation, or a non-governmental entity.

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    Other: Although most of the UAP described in our dataset probably remain unidentified due to limited data or challenges to collection processing or analysis, we may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better understand them. The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management.

    UAP THREATEN FLIGHT SAFETY AND, POSSIBLY, NATIONAL SECURITY

    UAP pose a hazard to safety of flight and could pose a broader danger if some instances represent sophisticated collection against U.S. military activities by a foreign government or demonstrate a breakthrough aerospace technology by a potential adversary.

    Ongoing Airspace Concerns

    When aviators encounter safety hazards, they are required to report these concerns. Depending on the location, volume, and behavior of hazards during incursions on ranges, pilots may cease their tests and/or training and land their aircraft, which has a deterrent effect on reporting.

    • The UAPTF has 11 reports of documented instances in which pilots reported near misses with a UAP.

    Potential National Security Challenges

    We currently lack data to indicate any UAP are part of a foreign collection program or indicative of a major technological advancement by a potential adversary. We continue to monitor for evidence of such programs given the counter intelligence challenge they would pose, particularly as some UAP have been detected near military facilities or by aircraft carrying the USG’s most advanced sensor systems.

    EXPLAINING UAP WILL REQUIRE ANALYTIC, COLLECTION AND RESOURCE INVESTMENT

    Standardize the Reporting, Consolidate the Data, and Deepen the Analysis

    In line with the provisions of Senate Report 116-233, accompanying the IAA for FY 2021, the UAPTF’s long-term goal is to widen the scope of its work to include additional UAP events documented by a broader swath of USG personnel and technical systems in its analysis. As the dataset increases, the UAPTF’s ability to employ data analytics to detect trends will also improve. The initial focus will be to employ artificial intelligence/machine learning algorithms to cluster and recognize similarities and patterns in features of the data points. As the database accumulates information from known aerial objects such as weather balloons, high-altitude or super-pressure balloons, and wildlife, machine learning can add efficiency by pre-assessing UAP reports to see if those records match similar events already in the database.

    • The UAPTF has begun to develop interagency analytical and processing workflows to ensure both collection and analysis will be well informed and coordinated.

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    The majority of UAP data is from U.S. Navy reporting, but efforts are underway to standardize incident reporting across U.S. military services and other government agencies to ensure all relevant data is captured with respect to particular incidents and any U.S. activities that might be relevant. The UAPTF is currently working to acquire additional reporting, including from the U.S. Air Force (USAF), and has begun receiving data from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

    • Although USAF data collection has been limited historically the USAF began a sixmonth pilot program in November 2020 to collect in the most likely areas to encounter UAP and is evaluating how to normalize future collection, reporting, and analysis across the entire Air Force.

    • The FAA captures data related to UAP during the normal course of managing air traffic operations. The FAA generally ingests this data when pilots and other airspace users report unusual or unexpected events to the FAA’s Air Traffic Organization.

    • In addition, the FAA continuously monitors its systems for anomalies, generating additional information that may be of use to the UAPTF. The FAA is able to isolate data of interest to the UAPTF and make it available. The FAA has a robust and effective outreach program that can help the UAPTF reach members of the aviation community to highlight the importance of reporting UAP.

    Expand Collection

    The UAPTF is looking for novel ways to increase collection of UAP cluster areas when U.S. forces are not present as a way to baseline “standard” UAP activity and mitigate the collection bias in the dataset. One proposal is to use advanced algorithms to search historical data captured and stored by radars. The UAPTF also plans to update its current interagency UAP collection strategy in order bring to bear relevant collection platforms and methods from the DoD and the IC.

    Increase Investment in Research and Development

    The UAPTF has indicated that additional funding for research and development could further the future study of the topics laid out in this report. Such investments should be guided by a UAP Collection Strategy, UAP R&D Technical Roadmap, and a UAP Program Plan.

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    UNCLASSIFIED APPENDIX A - Definition of Key Terms

    This report and UAPTF databases use the following defining terms:

    Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP): Airborne objects not immediately identifiable. The acronym UAP represents the broadest category of airborne objects reviewed for analysis.

    UAP Event: A holistic description of an occurrence during which a pilot or aircrew witnessed (or detected) a UAP.

    UAP Incident: A specific part of the event.

    UAP Report: Documentation of a UAP event, to include verified chains of custody and basic information such as the time, date, location, and description of the UAP. UAP reports include Range Fouler1 reports and other reporting. 1 U.S. Navy aviators define a “range fouler” as an activity or object that interrupts pre-planned training or other military activity in a military operating area or restricted airspace.

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    APPENDIX B – Senate Report Accompanying the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021 Senate Report 116-233, accompanying the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021, provides that the DNI, in consultation with the SECDEF and other relevant heads of USG Agencies, is to submit an intelligence assessment of the threat posed by UAP and the progress the UAPTF has made to understand this threat.

    The Senate Report specifically requested that the report include:

    1. A detailed analysis of UAP data and intelligence reporting collected or held by the Office of Naval Intelligence, including data and intelligence reporting held by the UAPTF;

    2. A detailed analysis of unidentified phenomena data collected by:

    a. Geospatial Intelligence;

    b. Signals Intelligence;

    c. Human Intelligence; and

    d. Measurement and Signatures Intelligence

    3. A detailed analysis of data of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which was derived from investigations of intrusions of UAP data over restricted U.S. airspace;

    4. A detailed description of an interagency process for ensuring timely data collection and centralized analysis of all UAP reporting for the Federal Government, regardless of which service or agency acquired the information;

    5. Identification of an official accountable for the process described in paragraph 4;

    6. Identification of potential aerospace or other threats posed by the UAP to national security, and an assessment of whether this UAP activity may be attributed to one or more foreign adversaries;

    7. Identification of any incidents or patterns that indicate a potential adversary, have achieved breakthrough aerospace capabilities that could put U.S. strategic or conventional forces at risk; and

    8. Recommendations regarding increased collection of data, enhanced research and development, additional funding, and other resources.

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  6. ralfabco

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    The guv needs to repeal the 1934 NFA Act.

    Give us a chance to hose em down :D.
     
  7. spicedriver

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    Remembering Captain Thomas Mantell

     
  9. spicedriver

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    Is Neil McCasland Tom Delonge's "General" ?

    https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/104776/major-general-william-n-mccasland/


    Wiki:

    Military career[edit]

    Assignments[edit]

    After graduate school, McCasland served in Payload Systems Division with the Secretary of the Air Force Office of Special Projects-6 and 8 at Los Angeles Air Force Base, California until 1985, when he returned to MIT for a doctorate. After graduation he returned to Los Angeles AFB, this time as assistant director of Office of Special Projects-13. As a lieutenant, McCasland reportedly stood out among his peers, becoming one of just a handful of lower officers given large program leadership responsibilities for highly classified development units within what became the birth of Air Force satellite reconnaissance as it exists today.[5]

    In 1992 he moved to Buckley Air Force Base, Colorado, serving as director of mission planning for the Aerospace Data Facility through 1994. After a hiatus in 1995 to attend Air War College, he returned to Buckley to command the operations squadron at the ADF through 1997.[1]

    After Buckley he returned to Los Angeles AFB this time spending three years as the Chief Engineer of the Navstar GPS Joint Program Office, the controlling authority for the Global Positioning System for government, commercial, and consumer applications.[6] In 2000 he took control of the Space Based Laser Project Office at LA AFB as Systems Program Director,[7] before moving to Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico a year later to begin a three-year stint as materiel wing director, Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicles Directorate, and commander of the Phillips Research Site.[1] Several of these postings involved close work with the National Reconnaissance Office.[4] In 2004 McCasland became vice commander of the Ogden Air Logistics Center, a facility attached to Hill Air Force Base, Utah, spending a year leading operations before returning yet again to LA AFB as vice commander of the Space and Missile Systems Center.

    In 2007 McCasland was assigned to the Pentagon as director of space acquisition within the Office of the Under Secretary of the Air Force. In 2009 he was promoted to director of special programs within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics.[1] Serving as director of special programs also made McCasland executive secretary for the Special Access Program Oversight Committee (SAPOC), in charge of the oversight and review body for America's most sensitive and secretive knowledge, capabilities, and programs.[8][9]

    In May 2011 McCasland left Washington for his final posting, assuming command of Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio until retirement in October 2013.[1] At AFRL he led billions of dollars in advanced materials sciences and future weapons research across one of the largest scientific centers in the Department of Defense.[1]

    Post-military career[edit]
    McCasland is currently the director of technology at Applied Technology Associates, an Albuquerque, New Mexico based subsidiary of Arlington, Virginia based BlueHalo, a conglomerate defense contractor operating in the areas of space warfare, directed energy, missile defense, cyber and C4ISR.[10][11][12][13]

    Since 2013 McCasland has been an associate fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.[14]

    In June 2019, McCasland joined the board of trustees for Riverside Research, a not-for-profit "chartered to advance scientific research for the benefit of the United States government and in the public interest".[15][16]

    McCasland is a senior member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE).[4]

    Involvement in unidentified flying object disclosure[edit]
    McCasland's involvement with the topic of unidentified flying objects became public when WikiLeaks released an archive of Hillary Clinton Campaign chairman John Podesta's email records in 2016.[17] The archive of documents was obtained from a data breach by Fancy Bear, a hacking group which the United States Government alleges is associated with military intelligence assets of the Russian Federation.[18][19][20][21] McCasland is the subject of an email[22] dated January 25, 2016 from Blink-182 frontman Tom DeLonge to Podesta in which DeLonge says of McCasland:

    He mentioned he's a "skeptic", he's not. I've been working with him for four months. I just got done giving him a four hour presentation on the entire project a few weeks ago. Trust me, the advice is already been happening on how to do all this. He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware- as he was in charge of all of the stuff. When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. General McCasland was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple years ago. He not only knows what I'm trying to achieve, he helped assemble my advisory team. He's a very important man.

    McCasland is also the recipient of another email,[23] this time directly from Podesta, inviting him to a Google Hangouts meeting with DeLonge and Podesta. Also CC’ed on the invitation were Rob Weiss, Chief of Lockheed's Skunkworks Division[24] and Air Force Major General Michael Carey.[23]

    Podesta's involvement in UFO disclosure initiatives is well documented throughout his service in both the Clinton and Obama administrations, and DeLonge runs To The Stars... Academy of Arts and Sciences (TTSA), a nonprofit associated with the UFO disclosure movement.[17] McCasland's involvement with To The Stars marks yet another surprisingly credible asset to DeLonge's unusual group which already employs a conspicuous number[25] of former senior members[26] of the intelligence, military, space, academic, and commercial defense communities. Others involved bring similar credentials to McCasland, including CIA and NSA officers and scientists, Special Access Program defense contractors, NASA propulsion and directed energy researchers, presidential advisors, a former Undersecretary of Defense, and the former program manager for the Department of Defense's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) UFO investigation operation during the Obama Administration.[17][25][26] McCasland's expertise at Air Force Research Laboratory and post retirement at ATA is notably similar to one of TTSA's current projects outlined in a 2019 CRADA contract with the U.S. Army Futures Command involving materials exploitation of purported metamaterials the group claims to have secured.[27]

    The combination of highly qualified people working on seemingly fringe science supported by government procurement agreements has led some to theorize online[28] regarding DeLonge and his advisors’ true knowledge or intentions, and others to speculate that DeLonge is being manipulated by government officials like McCasland into developing a UFO cover story for new classified American defense technology of a more terrestrial origin.[29] Some drew conclusions from McCaslands previous role as head of oversight for all of the Department of Defense's most classified programs and his post retirement activities with UFO phenomena in support of both conclusions.[30] Other questions and speculation focused on a relationship McCasland was known to have with the late Dr. Michael Duggin, an Australian-American scientist with the Air Force Research Lab division at Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico who spent years of his Air Force career in research on UFO phenomena.[30] Duggin also once worked for J. Allen Hynek, an astronomer who led the Air Force's infamous Project Blue Book, one of the first investigations of reported encounters with UFO's by the United States Government.[30]
     
  10. spicedriver

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    UFO researcher Richard Dolan claims some details of the classified version of the UAP Report were leaked to him. Other researchers (Joe Murgia etc.) claim the classified version of the report is 70 pages long, and contains 14 UFO videos, of what was described as "off world" crafts.

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  11. Llenroc

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    After reading all of the pages on this thread(and not disbelieving, or believing any of it) I think everyone should take a look at the 1st Matrix movie, not for the good and evil plot concept, but what they are doing and how they are doing it in the movie.
     
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    Cmdr. Chad Underwood Interview:

     
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    Documentary: UFOs and Nukes - The Secret Link Revealed


     
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    Air Force Capt. Chris Lehto On Cmdr. Chad Underwood Interveiw

     
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    Jim Goodall relates story about Dave Fruehauf (SR-71 Pilot) chasing a UFO.

    Starts @ 3:22

     
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    A technical look at efforts to debunk the "Nimitz Encounters"

     
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    05/17/2022 UAP Hearing Video Presentation:

     
  22. BJK

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    They have to be drones (from the mothership which is hiding behind the moon :p )
    no being could withstand the g forces from maneuvers they've seen. It would make sense. No reason to risk capture and water boarding. ;)
     

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