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California accelerates alone ! IDLE AT 5000rpm

Discussion in 'California/Portofino/Roma' started by LaPerfectionLouis, Jun 25, 2021.

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  1. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    Hi !
    My 2009 California has 21,000 miles.
    I was in a parking and put N just before stopping my car, the idle went to 5000 rpm. I restarted the engine, the orange light appeared "AHV system failure, CST system failure and Manetinno failure, go to dealer" all together, it was driving very very slow (in a economic mode I guess). I started again the engine and idle was 5000 rpm again, I was able to drive the car to the garage, was driving at 42mph in 7 withouttouching the gas pedal. At stop lights, in 1, it was accelerating alone and was obliged to brake a little harder than usual.

    What is your guess ?
    Throttle sensor ?
    O2 sensors?
    Ratio air /gas sensor ?

    The garage changed all fluids and spark plugs But the issue is still here.

    A few months ago, we removed the valves to hear the nice sound every times and we changed the Evap leak Sensor (it had the Engine failure orange light sometimes before changing it).

    Thanks have a good week-end!
     
  2. energy88

    energy88 Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Maybe "tin worms?" Occurs at the microprocessor level and was responsible for the Toyota sudden acceleration. Worth a look to rule out.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–2011_Toyota_vehicle_recalls
     
  3. Bill Phillips

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    Fluids and spark plugs cannot possibly cause what you are describing. When you say ‘the garage’ changed all fluids and spark plugs, exactly who is that? Who is working on your car?
     
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  4. vjd3

    vjd3 F1 Rookie
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    Had that happen on an old 911 and it was a bad throttle position sensor.
     
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  5. Defmeister

    Defmeister Karting

    Aug 3, 2019
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    I would check the throttle pedal itself, just a plain old potentiometer and easily checked with a multimeter for a smooth 0v - 12v over its travel.


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  6. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    Hi !
    The garage is reputed in Florida and only works on prestige brands (PM for more info).
    So the cleaned the throttle body and I used the car 4 times and the issue did not come back. He told me to come back in 500 miles to compare the spark plugs because it could be the O2 sensor too.
     
  7. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    So you changed the full throttle body or there is a sensor next to it ?
     
  8. XSpeed

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    what happens when that happens during driving. how does the electronics work e.g. when pressing brake and acceleration at the same time?
     
  9. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    My car was driving exactling as if you were pressing the gas pedal at 5% all the time. So the only way to avoid going to 5000rpm was to stay in 1 and brake in the same time. And it was forcing a little...
     
  10. vjd3

    vjd3 F1 Rookie
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    It was on an older Porsche 911 and it was a separate part from the throttle body. Sometimes the car would idle fine but buck like crazy when you tried to drive it.

    It certainly sounds like something with the accelerator pedal or related sensor to me on your car. Interesting that you put the car in neutral, you can just shut it off in first and it will go right into park. I assume you've done the usual reset the electonics by unplugging the battery routine?
     
  11. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    No, it does not shut it off in FIRST (or any gear), it was still accelerating a little, so the car was going to 5000rpm in 1, maybe 4500 in 2, 3000 in 3 that's why the car was still driving at 2000tr in 7 without touching the gas pedal.
    No I didn't unplug the battery and went straight to the garage because I wanted to do the annual check up anyway.
    I have seen this night that my OBD reader can read 3 different throttle % :
    -pedal Gas throttle
    -initial throttle sensor
    -absolut throttle sensor
    I will run some tests later that day (hot and cold and post it).
     
  12. vjd3

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    I meant that you can just turn the key to shut off the car when it's still in first gear and it will go into park, you don't have to put it into neutral to do that.

    Very strange.
     
  13. LaPerfectionLouis

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    I did not explain correctly. When I go to a full stop, to avoid the car to go from 2 to 1, I usually put N when I am still at 15mph. I was doing that with a previous F430 and a previous Lamborghini Gallardo e-gear, but they were f1 gears, not dual clutch. Maybe it's useless to so that in a dual clutch? I was thinking it's better for the gearbox to stay in N when you wait 2min at a light... ?
     
  14. vjd3

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    Yes, it's unnecessary in the dual clutch cars ... just leave it in gear, in fact, it will switch down for you as you decelerate from second gear and go into first when you're at a standstill. This is in manual mode, I don't drive it in auto but I imagine it would do the same.
     
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  15. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    Since the mecanic guy cleaned the throttle body, 6 starts and the issue did not happen again. I am sure than living in Florida does not help for high humidity.
     
  16. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    Yes I drive in manual most of the time, the speed selected is not always the "actual gear" I feel. Example : you drive 38mph in 2, you don't touch any pedal, you select 7 very fast (5 times push) and it will take 1sec or 1.5sec to actually select the 7, even in sport...
     
  17. LaPerfectionLouis

    Mar 13, 2021
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    If the issue happens again, I will check on the obd if the sensor shows the good % throttle.
    In order to know if the throttle body is defective or if the sensor of the throttle body is defective himself...
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  18. ryalex

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    I had similar on my F12 and it was throttle sensor.
     
  19. Il Co-Pilota

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    Bet you anything it's the TPS in the pedal assembly. They were weak in the 458 too.

    The potentiometer in the throttle pedal is a known weakness, and a faulty TPS pot can cause exactly what you are experiencing.

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