There's also a previous (2019) interview with Leiters: "It’s very important to differentiate which car I want [a hybrid system] in," Leiters said. "If we’re doing a V-12, I’m not thinking about hybridization. It’s a contradiction. Maybe we would get a little reduction in consumption with a hybrid, but it doesn’t make sense. To get the full potential of a hybrid, we need to downsize the engine. With a V-12, naturally aspirated car, we don’t have that downsizing." www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/geneva-auto-show/amp26789176/ferrari-michael-leiters-hybrids-interview-geneva-2019/ Combining the 2019 and 2021 comments by Leiters about the hybridization of a V12 and the lack of any hint about a downsized engine, I'm led to believe the next N/A V12 won't have a hybrid system. Time will tell.
A few days ago was spotted a new Purosangue mule driving around Maranello. The spotter @ ilcavallerizzo from Maranello, someone brought-up listening to Ferraris, says categorically that the engine sound is unmistakably from a NA V12. This is another log on the fire of the discussion of the future of Ferrari NA V12's………..
Yes, but if you go back even further (years earlier) there are direct comments that no electric only Ferrari will ever occur as well as never to a truck (FUV)...so I was focusing more on the recent interviews given.... https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1044858_ferrari-will-never-build-a-four-door-says-ceo https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/why-ferrari-will-never-build-an-suv-34140 https://insideevs.com/news/317838/ferrari-chairman-says-italian-automaker-will-never-manufacture-an-electric-car/ As for hybrid V12 (for regular series), that was worked on long ago... https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2010-ferrari-599-hy-kers-hybrid-concept/ All we absolutely do know is a new Ferrari hypercar is being developed, it will be V12+hybrid...so, I presume the new V12 will first appear there since they are in no rush to reveal an 812 successor....
In my opinion they can’t even know what the 812 successor will and can be until details of the new Euro 7 emissions are finalised later this year. That could explain why they are delaying anything related to the 812 successor
The world wants née needs a V12 Ferrari SUV to prove it can be done and still have the Ferrari “emotion” Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I don’t profess to have any inside knowledge but I think there are a few things to consider; first, from a marketing viewpoint, they don’t have a need to rep,ace the 812 quickly because they have a new ‘halo’ production vehicle, the SF90. It’s a great car and the hybrid drive improves the experience. You don/t feel the weight at all and the power delivery is clean and precise, feels a bit like a fast Speciale. Second, PuroSangue V12 seems to be confirmed as assisted by Marcel, which makes sense. Very risky launching a n/a V12 SUV straight out of the box in this era - not just ‘not green’ but sticking two fingers up at the whole movement towards a ‘sustainable’ future. I’m guessing it will be hybrid, or at least turbo. This will give them a new size V12, I would guess smaller? Then you have LaFerrari replacement, not sure whether this would be the last hurrah for the existing engine mated to a proper PHEV hybrid system, which advances it in tech and power terms from the LaF. An 850hp (say) 6.5 litre V12 mated to 300hp hybrid and you’re at 1,150hp and a little over SF90 weight (maybe 100kg). The car would be big outside and small inside, but so was the LaF. I don’t believe they will do a mid engined V12 to replace the 812. They had very good reasons fro moving away from that before, the packaging just doesn’t work. The LaF package is just not suited to everyday. The Testarossa is the ultimate ‘last of’ in my opinion. SF90 is really the successor to the Testarossa, despite being hybrid, turbo and V8. My guess is whatever is in the PuroSangue V12 will find its way into 812 successor, if they do one. And that means assisted. Car probably not arriving on the road before at least 2024, so no way it will make sense to do a n/a 6.5l V12 at > 830hp in a standard production car then. Do they even need that car anymore is a big question. Given it will have IMO assistance, will people want a front engined, assisted V12 car in enough numbers when there is competition from within the range too? If they do do it, maybe the place in the range is more like a V12 Roma hybrid at a ‘mid’ price rather than the range-topping car the F12 and 812 were?
Everything you say makes sense, but then why take the risk of cannibalizing the sales of the Purosangue V12 with a front engined V12 GT?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/europe-to-propose-end-of-combustion-engine-era-in-green-overhaul
Seems the EU is quite good at solving problems that do not actually exist while ignoring those that do actually exist. Image Unavailable, Please Login CO2 is plant food and human contribution is without any meaning except those who seek control.
Sad but under the recent nod from Marcel your thoughts makes too much sense. Shrinking V12 with electric motor and GPF leads straight to full electric. Sad.
And that's exactly what is happening. Get used to it........Electric is the "one and only future" (tells us Greta, the politicans and all the green and left wing people..........). Sorry for that P&R. Marcel Massini
I have a Taycan and as an efficient and quiet mode of transport it makes perfect sense especially when you consider how much cleaner our city air will become. Its a brilliant car and personally will never go back to an ICE car as a daily. OTOH its going to be rather sad when you can no longer go to your nearest Ferrari dealer and order a new front engine NA unassisted V12 Supercar. This is why the 812SF sans GPF will become an instant classic being the very last NA V12 Ferrari without any assistance Ferrari produces. Probably the best Supercar ever made IMO and why their values have bottomed out and will only rise in the medium term. The other issue i see with the 812 replacement is the added weight due to the hybrid systems. This is unavoidable as everything you add to car adds weight. The 812SF at a minimum 1630Kg is already at the limit to withstand the laws of physics without another 140kg being added. As an analogy a fat person would benefit from losing a few pounds and certainly doesn't need to add more on as opposed to a thin person who might benefit from putting on some muscle. That's how i see the 812 and any heavier will lose its appeal as a Supercar and become more of a comfy Touring car.
And I predict a bright future for the TdF and 458 Speciale, the last of their kind, special series / limited edition. Ferrari already aren’t making such cars anymore. People will look back in the future at the freedom and emotion those cars deliver and wonder how on earth such cars could be sold to OP. For me they will be a symbol of freedom when the world is forced to choose between electric cars version 1 or electric car version 2. And the last 2 masterpiece from the Montezemolo era . These will be highly desired in the future as the last great of their era in the same as the last of the Enzo era are sought after today. My personal opinion
