6 Speed Conversion

Actually went through this whole thread, fascinating! One thing I have not seen addressed (though it was asked once, I believe), is there any cash that can be recouped by selling the parts of the F1 that are removed? That might help offset the cost…is the conversion currently roughly $30k plus (install + parts)? Looks like they had some sort of a deal/sale last winter for just over $21k. I think around $20k would be the sweet spot if they can get manufacturing costs down. Good stufff, thanks for all the info..

 

Regarding recoup, I just had a thread on this

Apparently, maybe, if you're lucky enough to find folks interested and you're willing to 'part' with them taking into account their potential value

I was able to recoup some (thanks gents, you know who you are), though I wouldn't assume this will be the case

 

Thank you…just read over your for sale thread. Sound like there could be some recoup, just takes patience. Bought an X51 kit for a 991 years ago and was able to recoup a little over a third of the price by selling the parts that came off the vehicle but I had to wait patiently for the buyer to come along

 

Few years down the line these F1-parts will become more and more sought after in good shape. Lots of threads with problematic F1-systems and they are not going to be fewer.

I guess today you would be lucky to get $2-3000?

Also, this deal/sale last winter was fake. EAG didn’t run any special sale that I know of.

 

Question…this requires a new clutch, pressure plate, and throwout bearing, right? I know the throwout bearing is definite but even if you COULD reuse the others, why would you risk having to redo them again any sooner than you HAVE to??

 

Same clutch, unless you opt to replace it

Not sure about the others

You're essentially replacing the robot actuator with coles that go to the pedal and stick shift

The part that actually changes the gears is same

 

Some of the parts are reusable, and it depends on the model. For example, on the F430 the F1 pump stays put because it still pressurizes the E-Diff, so you can't yank that out and sell it. However, on the 360 you can pull the F1 pump and sell it. Obviously neither car will need the F1 actuators or outer shift box, although we've been looking into a way to repurpose the existing shift box to cut down on costs as the outer shift box is one of the most expensive parts of the conversion. Shift paddles are probably not much value unless you have carbon ones but that's pretty much it.

For the clutch, we recommend replacing the clutch unless it's in near perfect condition. We have to separate the trans from the engine so swapping in a new clutch is a pretty much no brainer and you're effectively just paying for parts.

 

Does anyone feel this conversion will make a major difference in future proofing the car over the next 20- 30 years? I was (am) a big fan of manual, but I now see the benefit of the F1 paddles, and enjoy using them. However, I wonder if down the line, the conversion will make it exponentially easier to deal with. I’m thinking longer lasting clutch, and mechanisms that a layman mechanic can work on versus potential F1 gremlins, and being stuck somewhere where I don’t have easy access to a Ferrari mechanic.

Also, has anyone who is ambivalent to manual vs F1 regretted the switch? The last manual sports car I drove was a Cayman S 10 years ago, so it’s been a while. My guess was getting a little controlled slide on curves was more manageable on the F1, as well as the benefits for the occasional track day. Thinking out loud here, I think I just need to drive a manual Ferrari and see how it feels; does it feel “right” on the F430 since it was meant to be more F1 than manual?

 

Unless you drive the F430 very aggressively or at the limit my choice is the manual. When driven hard flat out the F1 box is nice, fun and more effective then the manual but that’s about it. If you’re like me and drive the car in normal circumstances and occasionally drive it spiritedly the manual is a no brainer. It’s much more engaging, fun and it feels very special. Like you’re driving something that’s the top of the analog-ish driving experience.

I drove the F1 for almost four years. I kind of regret that I didn’t have the chance to convert before because it’s such a huge difference for my driving habits.

 

I think the 360 may be the last mid engine Ferrari that is definitively better with a manual. Both the F430 and the 599 seem to objectively benefit from the F1. I have no problem with this, actually. My 2020 SuperCab Raptor has paddle shift - and ten gears! - and it's a blast in the dirt and on curvy roads. Paddle shift is objectively better, but I will never part with my one-of-two yellow 360 sunroof/stick.

Now if I could just find that one-of-one yellow 456M manual.

 

I've been contemplating this response, think it goes like this:

Imho, you need 2 things in an F430, a stick and a spider

The first so you can feel everything the car is doing and fully experience this glorious machine

The second so that you can hear everything it is doing, from the breath of the idle to the roar of engagement and everything in between

Stick+spider=maximum exhilaration

Is it more reliable and is this a good reason? I'm inclined to think so, but even if it wasn't, I'd do it

So I guess I'm not in the 'undecided' camp [emoji846]

 

Takes an F1 on the track

Likes it

Spoiler alert, would only buy it if it had a stick

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I find it interesting we are not seeing these converted cars back on the market often…. I’ve seen 1 or 2… but out of the 100+ I’ve not seen many… which suggests to me the owners are enjoying these conversions… smiles and miles!

 

+1

Nice 360 in profile pic @one4torque, that yours?

 

Color/. Yup. My francesca’

 

I think it makes sense. I’d only spend the money if I knew I was keeping long term it to keep maintenance costs and headaches down; which I’m starting to think I am. Especially without knowing if the car will command any kind of premium without it being manual from a factory. By premium I don’t mean just getting my money back on the conversion, I mean an actual markup on top of that.

 

I converted mine back end of 2016 beginning of 17. Drive it for 3 years and sold it due to covid. Regretted it ever since. So now i have all the parts and im ready to do it again. looking for a car now.

 

Why did covid make you sell it?

 

long story. bad timing. Point is i did drive it for 3 years after converting. i miss it so im converting another soon as i find the rite car

 

I live in Houston, Texas. They do not allow convertibles here.

 

Seriously?

 

Ha, no it’s just hotter than hell. That in combo with the humidity is a killer.

 

Hey, just took my AEG-converted f430 (Oem parts)...
It's corsa red so sticks out like a sore thumb in the neo-communist Northeast...

Love the experience but it's more old achool than the F1 version. I would say if you like older tech and feel then go for it but I find myself missing the crazy frenetic F1 transmission experience. I converted because I lost patience with fixing an F1 pump/actuator issue that took forever to diagnose mostly because I didn't have the right mechanics working on the car.

I don't regret it and enjoy the car in manual guise but certainly miss and enjoyed it with the F1 transmission. May buy another F1 F430, in meantime I just bought a low mileage 2009 Maserati Gran Turismo S with MC shift to fix my single clutch F1 deficit LOL.

I think the whole manual shifting is overhyped whether with F430's or GT3/Touring's... it's more involving but also has its drawbacks so as long as you're aware of pros and cons then all good !

 

Certainly not that bad here, but pretty hot in NJ lately. Top down last evening was nice though.

 

Ferrari people tend to want originality so you need to consider carefully whether you want to sell the F1 parts and make this essentially a one-way conversion.

And I’m not surprised that EAG had no “sale” pricing. They have more demand than supply.


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