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I need to vent....

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by yelcab, Aug 3, 2021.

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  1. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Living in the Bay Area with three major International Airports, a thousand tech companies, and untold automotive shops, I am sick and tired of having to deal with two totally inadequate Hydraulic Service Providers. Each one is 30 to 45 minutes from me. They might be able to make a hydraulic hose for a ****ing brake line or a forklift but they are totally helpless when it comes to oil lines on Ferraris.

    It will be ... 1) we don't have the right hose .. 2) we don't have the crimp... 3) we don't have the fittings... 4) we can't make that line....

    ****, what the **** are you good for if you cannot make the ****ing right hose for a car.

    That's it. From now on, I am stocking my garage with ready-made hoses from GT Car Parts for all possible permutations. If it is expensive, too ****ing bad.
     
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  2. TTR

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    Sorry to burst your bubble :rolleyes:, but I have at least 5-6 hydraulic hose service shops within 30 minute drive and all are about as useless as tits on a bullfrog when it comes to my (vintage) automotive repairs/restorations/services, including those on Ferraris.
    I keep various fittings and hose sizes/types in stock, so that if/when pre-made replacement assemblies aren't available, I can just make my own.
    Sometimes I have to fabricate special fittings, etc from scratch.
     
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  3. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm convinced those shops can't make a line for a forklift either. I don't have a forklift so we are assuming they can make a hose for a forklift. You give them too much credit. They aren't smart enough. I have no idea what those guys do all day but working is not one of them.
     
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  4. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    selling aftermarket self made hydro hoses, $200 shipped. :D
     
  5. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    The one I dealt with was a moron.
     
  6. raysur

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    I had the same issue until I found V F Sales AC Hoses in North Hollywood. It is a small father and son shop instead of the large hydraulic suppliers. I went to so many places before checking them out. Turns out VF does the hoses for the local Ferrari dealerships. They did my sump tank hose.
     
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  7. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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  8. Ferrari Tech

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    It is no different over here. I think Ferrari invents odd sizes just to get us to buy overpriced replacements. I have made several custom hoses to replace original stuff. Cut, machine, weld, what ever it takes.
     
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  9. POLO35

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    Go to an automotive air conditioning repair shop I have had hoses made there they have more smaller stuff
     
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  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    These guys can do it, but requires mail on both ends. NASCAR shop.

    Goodridge

    (704) 662-9095

    174 Gasoline Alley

    Mooresville‎ NC‎ 28117

    United States
     
  11. raemin

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  12. markcF355

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    They don't exist outside of the lower South.
     
  13. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You Americans refuse to adopt the metic system. This is why you have issues fixing your european cars. The metric fittings and hoses are not stocked. All these fittings and crimp shells are common in europe.

    We have the same issue here in Canada. It is simply rediculose. I have thought about opening up a supply house for this stuff.
     
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  14. raemin

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    These fittings are not common even on this side of the atlantic. This being said, most of the vintage Ferrari "plumbing" is rebuildable, and the rubber hose itself is cheap. No point in messing with a good setup that can be fixed with a 12€/meter hose!

    Got to agree however that the German manufacturer will only reluctantly sell his products: paper catalog, no direct selling,... However the British retailers are really helpfull and even ordered a full 20m roll from cohline in order to deliver the 2m I was looking for. Courteous, fast and cheap.
     
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  15. Llenroc

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    I had the same problem 10+ years ago. I needed a new oil line for my 355CH and I couldn’t find anyone that could make the hose. They all said that they did do low pressure flexible line and also, as stated above, the sizing was odd to them. I mainly blamed it on the small Montana town I lived in but, wow California huh?
    What I did was found a NOS hose from one of the recyclers of Ferrari parts and they had the exact part! What my original intention was was to get the fitting I needed from a used hose and repair mine but they the new complete hose:eek:. I don’t remember which one it was, but they were in CA. You could call around to see if that will again for your hose.
     
  16. Llenroc

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    Wow! you can actually get GT Car Parts to respond back to you and they send you stuff when you need it:eek:
     
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  17. 308 milano

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    I have contacted GT car parts at least 4 times in the last two years and always told they’ll get back to me. Started contacting him last year about a 22 mm cloth vapor line that runs from the airbox to the oil breather on the 308. Still haven’t got a definitive answer. Been waiting over a month about a new aerial switch. Finally just ordered it from Maranello concessionaires I’m done with them. What a joke.
     
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  18. paulchua

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    Sorry to hear that Mitchell - best of luck to you and keep up the good fight!!!
     
  19. Llenroc

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    Re: post #17: You are not the only one with that type of story there are many. Total lack of care or service to their customers. You would think they were Italians and doing business there, lol
     
  20. yelcab

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    In defense of Bill, and I have known Bill for a long time. The last 2 years, he has been the only one person there. After Dave retired, Bill was not able to hire even a simple helper that lasts. If you were given a job of working out in a salvage yard in the middle of summer in Arizona where it is 120F, in the shade, you might not last long in that job. Bill is the only one there, answering phone, yanking things off the car in the lot, pulling parts from the shelves, packing and shipping, taking order ... he has too much to do.

    Is it perfect? no. Can it be improved? Yes. For now, I am willing to cut him some slack.

    As for the comment about 22mm cloth hoses? NONE is available anywhere in the US after the pandemic. Global Metrics wants me to buy 50 meters before they order me a spool, at an outrageous price. That **** all comes from Europe. Make do with something else.
     
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  21. Llenroc

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    I have also known Bill for awhile, I guess at least thirty years( but haven’t used them for the last ten). My first experience with their “service” was in the mid nineties and it wasn’t the last time for me, it took me a least five times of not getting what I needed to stop wasting my time. I have been to the shop many times and it can be hot in there at least for me, but they chose not to ac the back room because I asked; ah you get used to it was the answer. Anyway, my point is the service has been questionable long before Dave retired.
    Also don’t get me wrong I like Bill, always admired his knowledge and it was cool when he introduced me to Bob Wallace who had a shop next to GT cars parts when they were near Sky Harbor airport. He is just not great at servicing his customers.
     
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  22. Snapshift

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    This may or may not be applicable, but the aviation industry is replete with companies that make custom hose duplications sales, services, and complete kits. You might call them with your specifics and see if they could help with your specific applications.

    I have dealt with PHT and their work is extraordinary. GL and FWIW might be worth a call.

    https://www.aircrafthose.com/

    https://www.aerohoseshop.com/
     
  23. samsaprunoff

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    Good day All,

    I also ran into this same issue a few years ago and posted about it in the Boxer section and what I found out:

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/replacement-oil-reservoir-hose-to-engine.566286/#post-145730059

    Anyway, I hope this sheds some light as to some of the issues in finding the correct hydraulic hose..

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  24. bisel

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    I had to laugh when I saw your statement about us Americans refusing to adopt metric. While watching the Olympic 10m platform diving, the commentator was trying to convey how high the 10m tower is in terms that Americans might understand. He said that the tower platform was higher than two giraffes. You are right, Americans will measure objects with anything but the metric system. But, cut us a bit of slack because American motor cars are pretty much using all metric fasteners. This quiet evolution has been going on for about 40 years now. There are still a few holdouts like hoses and specialty parts, but at least the nuts and bolts are metric.
     

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