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  1. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    Lazik Der Sarkissian
    Hello all, finally I received the new metal pump cover from the seller, I noticed when I try to fit inside the tank opening it wiggles around rather than to fit tightly like the original plastic one. I know not many of you replaced this but Is this what you guys felt or experienced during installation. I appreciate any input.
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  2. Qavion

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  3. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I forget who sells the metal cover?
     
  4. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    Ian, The metal cover diameter is about 1-2 mm smaller than original plastic cover, that's way it is wiggle in place. Got noting to do with the gasket.
     
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  5. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

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    FBB, I purchased it from superformance.
     
  6. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    does it tighten and seal when new gasket is installed?
     
  7. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    I have not tried with new gasket yet, with old gasket it wiggles. I just did test installation without the gasket compare to original face cover,
    The old cover is a very thigh fit, with or without gasket.
     
  8. Qavion

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  9. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    The gaskets sits FLAT on the edge of the opening, I have the screwdriver tip on the edge. The pump face sits on the top of it FLAT and then O ring goes on.
    The face cover should be thigh with no movement,
    The next picture shows the position of gasket and face cover, with metal and plastic cover.
    My feeling is this recipe for leak
     

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  10. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Sometimes we diy guys don't notice the problem in this case the gap. It could be that everyone before you had this issue but did not know it and it's fine? It is also possible that this part is out of tolerance for us. We are not the only ones that use this cover and the maker usually has no factory measurements and tolerances. They measure and old one and just copy what they got. We see this all too often in many after market parts.

    I guess if there is no other alternative you install out about 1/2 tank of gas in there and see if it leaks. In theory of the gasket is big enough it should seal if the cover and gasket can be made firm on install and not move around.
     
  11. radlu

    radlu Formula Junior

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    Those look great!
     
  12. 2NA

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    I've installed a few of those. No problems.
     
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  13. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

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  14. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Did it seal good enough?
     
  15. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    FBB, I have more work to do including replacing cam seals , I decided to wash the fuel tank with weak acid and water mixture to clean stuck rubber parts to the bottom of tank.
    Also waiting for one of fuel pump filters to arrive ( it was glued and stuck to the bottom of plastic fuel can when I attempted to remove made a big hole at the bottom). Looking for good source of chemically resistance wires for pump too. Regarding metal pump covers I may order another pair to see if fits more appropriately, I will keep you posted.
    I will need lots of moral help from you guys when I get to the bottom of this but hopefully it will be done the way I wanted,
     
  16. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Well you are in glendale. If you need another pair of eyes I'm happy to come up from redondo beach and give a look or a hand. I like porto's in glendale or rhe turkey sandwiches at Frank's so I do not mind the drive.
     
  17. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

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    FBB, Thank you, it would be great honer and unimaginable help that I can receive specially when I start pulling cams out. I will let you know.
    Thanks, Sark
     
  18. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    Before I start assembly of the fuel pump, decided to check the pumps if they are are okay. I started to measuring of the OHM value of each pump one is reading 5.5 and the other 10.5 . I checked number of times and the readings are same. What the OHM reading should be on a new one. What this mean ?, it means the one with lower reading is worn off. My electrical knowledge is very limited,
    Thanks, Sark
     
  19. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Just because you can get a value does not mean that value is a required spec of the pump. I would not test that why. I would put power to the pump (NO FUEL) and see if it works because that's what the pump will see when you turn the key.
     
  20. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    I value your comments regarding testing the pump, so I should not consider doing that, what about running the pump in a pool of fuel to flush internal system to check for any residues of rubber debris?
     
  21. fatbillybob

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    I don't like working around fuel because it can catch fire. I say if you want to test dry pumps then put power to them for a couple seconds to see if they work. If my pumps were new or working before I took the system out I would not even test them but assume good. Anyway, if they pass I would just put everything together like factory and add gas and start car. The last thing you want is jury rigged wires to pump to come off and spark your bowl of gas and burn yourself. A gallon of gas is over 100,000BTU's. That's a lot of fire power.
     
  22. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

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    I just tested them and both worked. I will proceed with installation of the pump units and the tank. I will post some pictures.
     
  23. fatbillybob

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  24. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I just got back from a drive in my 550. There is nothing as addictive as 12 cylinders of smooth unending torque. I need to get back to the track in this car. Driving this car it's too easy to break the law in 1st gear.
     
  25. dersark_painclinic

    dersark_painclinic Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    Lazik Der Sarkissian
    Fuel tank project continues, finally I decided to go ahead with original pump cover which is about $1000 less than the metal ones even though they have slight wiggling like the metal ones but much less. I also decided using Fabio's fuel pump holder instead of using black rubber support. All parts arrived and assembly started. I usually get time to fix things on weekends if I can, anyhow. All parts removed and inspected. The black rubber pump holder was deteriorated and was all over, the thank cleaned carefully an power flushed with hot water. Picture #1
    The fuel pump electrical parts including the wiring, connections and harnesses all replaced by new ones, took more than a week to obtain the correct parts. I had good luck with digi-key since they are very knollewgable and like to help with the right product, also I am submitting a part number for the products if DIY users like me consider doing themselves without wasting time. Picture #2
    Fuel pump corrugated flex hoses received from Quantum in Oxnard California sizes 9 mm x 220 mm with 2 clamps for new pump cover instead of using gates submersible rubber hoses. Also replaced the anti vibration by Amazon products recommended by Ferraridriver ( Dave ).
    I could not do this without the help I received from my wife, thank filled with couple Fallon to check the leak from drain plug an temp gauge. Finally with some struggle tank repositioned in original place. Picture #3.
    The new filter attachment hopefully would be easy and I consider instead of replacing the whole left fuel delivery rigid pipe ( even though I purchased a new pipe ) just replace a piece by a connection to the fuel filter by DORMAN products, will see.
    Project will follow...
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