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  1. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    it's almost like Giovinazzi is auditioning to stay in F1 :)

    interesting qualifying. good for GIO and GAS. bummer for Williams and Lando
     
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  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The car does good on short twisty non- power circuits.

    The car doesn't do so well on long power circuits where the race-pace of the SF-21 lacks.

    And when it rains, the car takes a nose-dive in performance.
     
  3. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Perez is really underperforming now. Might cost them the title !


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  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Putting emotions aside, Red Bull has been a more successful team than Ferrari in recent years as the results show.

    The title is within grasp for Verstappen this year; it would be stupid for him going anywhere else.

    Ferrari has a good pairing, with Leclerc and Sainz, but needs to make better cars to aim at the title..
     
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  5. classic308

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    Need aero and chassis engineers….
     
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  6. Dino2010

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    And people like di Montezemolo as CEO and Todt as team boss.
     
  7. crinoid

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    1. Maybe
    2. Of course. SMH.
     
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  8. F430 F1 Singapore

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    I do not wear Rossa tinted glasses. And what I would love to see is Russell and Ham in Merc vs Max and Lando in Red Bull next season. That would be a dream come true and would be a cracker of a season.
     
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  9. ricksb

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    what’s interesting is that suggests the AT is actually the better car? Gasly is regularly outperforming Perez and Red Bull, but struggled in the Red Bull.
     
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  10. Top speed

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    Do you think there is perhaps a reason why red bull has been faster than ferrari in 2020 and 2021; maybe something do with a certain engine penalty? I guess your "recent" means just those two seasons. Which team was stronger in 2017, 2018, 2019?
     
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  11. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yeah! I look forward to watching Hamilton taking out Max and getting away with it.
     
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  12. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #137 Etcetera, Sep 4, 2021
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    Max would be nuts to go to Ferrari....he likes winning too much to make the change.
     
  13. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Agreed. He has a winning car with a winning engine and a winning team whom do sub-2 sec. pit-stops on a regular basis.
     
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  14. Top speed

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    Pretty bold to assume Ferrari can't be a winning team starting next season. They've put all their eggs on that basket, being in midfield next season would be a total failure for Ferrari. Finally all the limiting factors from the 2019 engine punishment are off; championships are their goal starting from 2022 (literally Binotto's and Charles' words)
     
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  15. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I am not sure about the reason, but I have seen Ferrari's form declining and Red Bull improving.

    That's enough for me to believe that Max should stick with Red Bull.
     
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  16. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Words, words, words ...

    We believe what we see, not what we hear.
     
  17. Top speed

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    Exactly, only time will tell about 2022. RB or Merc don't have anymore of a chance than Ferrari to nail the new regs
     
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  18. 635CSI

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    Hope springs eternal.
    If, and it is big if, Ferrari can deliver a genuine race winning car, then they don’t need Max because Chuck will do the job and Carlos will win races too.
    I hope.
     
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  19. william

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    Time will tell if I am wrong, but I would think that RB and Mercedes are better organisations, mostly on the technical side.
    I wouldn't discount McLaren either. These 3 will be Ferrari's main opponents next year, I believe.
     
  20. Top speed

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    I have to disagree on McLaren, I don't think they are quite ready for the top yet. Brown has been talking a lot about 2024 as their goal when their facilities get up to date.
     
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  21. ingegnere

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    But seriously, how good is that Red Bull? If they didn’t have Max, they’d be running behind McLaren, TR and Ferrari—going by Perez’s performance. Perez, BTW, who ran better in a year-old Merc last year!
     
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  22. DF1

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    Perez set to start Dutch GP from the back after engine change
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    Sep 4, 2021, 2:12 PM
    Sergio Perez is set to start the Formula 1 Dutch Grand Prix from the back of the grid after Red Bull Racing opted to take a new Honda power unit.
     
  23. 375+

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    I think that the Mercedes is a better car than the Red Bull, look at the disparity between teammates in terms of outright speed? Hamilton and Bottas are reasonably close, Max often has the better part of a second over his teammate. Max in a Mercedes would spank Lewis.
     
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  24. Wass85

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    Or maybe RB are terrible at building a car that suits both drivers and Perez is massively underperforming?
     
  25. 375+

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    Or RBR is excellent at building a race winning car for Max? Unlike Bottas, Perez has a win this season.
     
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