Italy Seeks to Shield Supercar Makers From Combustion Engine Ban

With Ferrari and Lambo forever increasing production numbers, they won't be exempt for long. Companies like Pagani..maybe over the long term could get away with it..

 

They have been working on graphene batteries for decades.

Talking about the advancement of batteries in this short amount of time is silly and out of context. Everyone acts like electric cars have been around for 10 years and look how far we've come in 10 years...

I built electric race cars 20 plus years ago and I learned all about this stuff and there were people doing it long long long before me...

I mean the first cars that were ev were 100 plus years ago...

The bigger argument isn't over evs. It's the battery tech... And literally we have been using batteries and trying to improve the battery forever.

I'd urge you to not get caught up in the latest articles about battery tech. They are literally the same articles from 20 years ago.

 

You do you.. and I'll look after me. 20 years ago is not today. Yesterday is not today. I'll leave it at that.

 

Cool story.

 

You make sense, but none of this makes sense. The EPA banned two-stoke motorcycles a while back. Seriously, how much pollution can a 250cc engine create?

 

I love the lobbying that has turned nuclear power into a negative thing due to the waste but go ahead and get yourself a bunch of batteries that's the wave of the future and totally green all those batteries LOL

 

I have what i think is a decent comparison.

Im a professional sculptor. My first 16 years as a professional sculptor were using clay and wax. There was no digital sculpting software.

Then the digital software appeared, and I started playing with it. Its now been 18 years using digital sculpting software. More than the years i used traditional clay and wax.

While the digital sculpting software makes life easier in that there is an 'undo' button, 'clone' button, etc...it lacks soul. Its mechanical in feel, not organic. I never think 'man cant wait to get up tomorrow and get my fingers back onto the stylus.' Nothing about the software can compare with that perfect thumb stroke that dials a traditional clay or wax sculpture in perfectly.

This is the same feeling i get when i drive my buddys Tesla or BMW i8. Its a fun novelty, but its not enjoyable in the same way driving an ICE vehicle is. And a modern ICE vehicle isnt enjoyable in the same way a 70s or 80s vehicle is.

So, I use digital sculpting for 99% of what I do professionally. But when i want to sculpt something for my personal enjoyment? Its ALWAYS clay or wax. This means I can see myself having an EV as daily driver, but Id always, ALWAYS, have the ICE for pleasure.

Us professional sculptors have had this discussion now for decades with most people staking a hard stance on one side or the other. Knowing many of them personally, I have found a pattern. Those who love the digital are more practical, more methodical, its the destination not the trip. While the clay folk are more abstract, less methodical, and for them, its the trip, not the destination.

Im not sure one is better than the other, but they sure are different perspectives.

 

Agreed. I think you captured the essence of this perfectly.

In another way that relatable to some...

The apple watch is so much better than any other watch...

Yet...

The Rolex market and luxury watch market is completely bonkers and off the charts. It's never ever been stronger despite absolute obsolescence.

Because that's not what it's about.

 

GMG up 22% today. Hit 3 bucks a share..

 

And for all the different organizational software on the market, I still prefer my pad and pen...

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's never going to happen. Just don't make the mistake of hanging on every article or announcement of battery break throughs. It will happen but to date there have been more announcements of break throughs than actual break throughs.

 

I was driving my Ferrari through a right-on part of London last year and a guy on a bike shouted “polluter”.

He was with his two small kids on other bikes so I said nothing, but I thought, hm, I drive this car 1000 miles a year if I’m lucky, I walk to work. Have you taken your kids on a beach holiday this year, used non-renewable electricity to power your home, bought anything that requires ships and trucks to manufacture it’s components or deliver it? Any clothes, or household accessories made on the other side of the world? How did the marble for your new bathrooms get here?

maybe you’re the polluter and me in my Ferrari, I’m the green guy.

 

The best 30 minutes you can spend to understand this CO2 madness:

https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/34729/ivar-giaever-global-warming-revisited/meeting-2015

 

Biggest mistake ever. Its not the EU. Its the German state.

 

The exact same debate has been raging in the auto industry for the last 20+ yrs.
Digital vs. analog

 

Super batteries that never die, leak or explode- have been promised for decades- just like cold fusion and clean energy.
They do not exist and unlikely to in the near future. This does not mean we should stop striving for those goals but Progress will likely be slow unless Vulcans land on earth and show us the path with dilithium crystals


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You don't have dilithium crystals??

 

Porsche CEO know that it will be hard to sell electric GT3 when you will still have alternative like Lambo with V12 he is scare because he know that german goverment will never take actions like italian goverment to protect supercar industry

 

Especially since CO2 in reality has little or no effect on the planet's temperature!

 

all we need is one......zuckerberg, bezos, gates etc that loves supercars and the bans will magically disappear. those with the real money and power will make a difference. or should i say get their wives on board as we all know who makes a lot of the decisions for these wussified politicians.
AND how many exotics can live if just one 1950’s era cars in cuba died?

 

Not at -20F.

 

zuckerberg, bezos, gates live in USA and 2035 ban is in some countries of Europe, after 2035 Ferrari still can sell petrol cars in America and Asia. this ban is on registration new cars not on production but maybe Ferrari will need to make road tests outside Italy,

 

#8 wire, 40 amp circuit, 50amp breaker in every suburban garage for at least one level2 charger seams to be a much more critical issue than the battery tech advancements required to really replace a majority of ICE vehicles. That is a huge number when you start to look at power demand required, especially when everyone wants to come home at 5:00pm and plug in. That’s not going to be reality. Guess we can burn more coal to produce that amperage.