458 458 vs 458 speciale

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I was stunned to hear about an 82.5k mi Speciale for sale, so had to look it up for myself.

One part of the listing says “8,250” and other “82,500”.

I think I have seen this car for sale before and believe it to be the 8,250 mileage number.

does anyone know of any speciale’s with 50k + miles?

 

Need both…..V8 and V12
Traded old Speciale for TDF, missed agile V8 platform, so added Speciale again.


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I would not trade my 458 towards an 812. The 812 is a remarkable car that perfectly compliments a 458 in a two car collection, but it’s not a replacement.


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I don’t know if any Speciales with 50k+, but there are many Italias with 50k and even 100k.


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You lost all credibility with that statement.

 

Yes. That’s what was recommended. Personally I wouldn’t decat. Much louder and you’ll get fuel smell in the cockpit.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence. But the block and heads of the 458 and Speciale are basically the same. The differences structurally are:

• Compression is raised to 14:1
• New, lighter pistons
• Revised combustion chamber
• Shorter runners in the intake manifold
• New intake ports
• New camshafts

Those are not big differences, but that does result in 35 additional horsepower.


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We have one member here, @italiafan, who has one which he drives all the time. See if his will be a ‘collectible’ in a few years - and whether he’s had any regrets about the mileage he’s put on it.

 

Nope! None. @darkbard Take it from a guy who has spent many years watching people’s lives take a terrible zag when they were planning on a zig, that life is undeniably short. And even Steve Jobs with all his brains and billions couldn’t buy more time.
My advice is to buy a car you love driving, looking at, sitting in, and thinking about and not worry about what others think, or depreciation. If depreciation will keep you awake then lower your target price for the car you seek, and go low enough so the depreciation specter won’t haunt you. (Same as investing: if your are laying awake at night worrying about your investments then throttle back the risk in your portfolio.) Whether that is a 458 or a Speciale is up to you. Yes, the Speciale is a bit more special, a bit more finely tuned and honed. If I had to put a number on it I’d say it is 15-20% a “better” car than the 458–whatever that really means. The 458 is awesome in its own right.
My only concern with piling on miles is the wear and tear on the vehicle itself. I want it to stay nice and not be worn and rattling over every bump.

 

Haha….here’s proof positive he does care what certain people think about his car. Pic taken recently from a random stop on the Blue Ridge Parkway. We met a couple and their two kids. The boy is obviously smitten…..and check out his little sister eyeing up the car, lol ….
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They’re going to study extra hard and work extra hard to some day get their Ferrari’s! Parents were super nice too.

 

Actually, IIRC he said he liked your interior better because of the leather!

 

Hahaha…..about the only thing I can boast about, lol.
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I'd go for the 458 Spider. Here's why:

1) It was also my first Ferrari, and I think this model is arguably the best 'ambassador' to the Ferrari brand, ever?
2) Due to the hard top, it's 3 cars into 1: a) Comfortable coupe 'GT-like' to cruise and have a phone conversation on the highway, b) racy track toy with an engine note unlike any other on the planet (which I wouldn't touch! It's perfect the way it is), c) pleasant convertible ride when the weather permits
3) Best mix of price, reliability, elegant looks and comfort in the entire market. Hands down.
4) Given all three above, I think it's great choice for Denmark (I love Copenhagen!

I love the Speciale, but given the price, to me it is only the better option if a) money is not a word in your vocabulary, or b) if you plan to track it often. Otherwise, to me the 458 S does it all. BTW, love that you tried all those models and eventually decided for the 458! Way to go!

BTW, about to hit the 1st year anniversary Oct 16th, everyone! I'll have added 10k amazing miles to my 458S by then. Daily driver, 3 track days and a ton of hard mountain canyons drives. Not a single issue (except for some squeaky noise that I can live with and wheel vibration corrected with new tires and alignment work), one oil change for $450. I love it more every week.

 

What a beautiful car. It is so pure. The 488 and F8 look more aggressive with the rear wheel vents, but the 458 is in in perfect symmetry and the most pleasing to the eye.


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Thanks a lot. It also helps that these were taken by pro photographers

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If you want a track focused weapon, then the 458 Speciale is probably a great choice. If you want an amazing super car, which you can take your wife to dinner in and otherwise is an absolute thrill ride and sounds amazing, then it's nearly impossible to beat the 458 Italia.

I had a 488 GTB also.. calling it numb is polite. I have more engagement driving my Toyota pickup.

Ray

 

Your point of reference is what you read on paper. My point of reference is how it feels behind the wheel.

I own both. The Speciale engine has an entirely different personality/dynamic than Italia.

 

LOL! But I know what you mean. Same feeling Pista and 765LT for me. Sure, more aggressive of course, but pales compared to the visceral nature of the NA cars.
I say that but am secretly hoping the AM Valhalla and 918 replacement will have exceptional sound still and will be saddened if they dont.
SVJ Roadster on the short list.

 

Side note, I’m not sure you will enjoy the SVJ…


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Oh I do, have been in the ‘63 and raced along side my Perf Spyder.
AV is far from perfect, but the drama is unmatched, outside of Pagani and K.