Ferrari F12, GT4 Lusso, FF, 599, Ultimate DIY Guige

Great video! I wasn't sure how bad it was but it doesn't look too bad to change the oil on an F12. Probably just as easy on the 812 I'm guessing.

 

Subscribed as I came to the forum today looking for reasons why my battery tender doesn't see the battery at all, any DIY threads would be invaluable to other Ferrari owners even if they don't do the work themselves as at least it'll give educate all of us on what's involved and not get taken by the stealerships and indys.

 

The steps are identical on the 812. Only differences in procedure are the oil weights, and the filling process is just slightly different.

 

excellent! thank you.

usually I wouldn't attempt to get all the DIY's into one thread. that would be disorganized quickly. why not just start a new one with DIY-F12 oil change? this is fantastic

 

Make one thread with links to other threads

Label the first one all links for DYI projects for 812
And then the sub threads are the individual items

 

Thanks for the videos

 

Thank you for your efforts !!!!


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Great Idea!

 

Has anyone had good success using standard off the shelf OBD-2 readers to diagnose and reset faults/service lights etc...?
I'm curious to know what the limitations are in reading and managing the ECU without needing to take it to a dealer.

A buddy of mine loaned me one a while back for my 550 which worked well, read both banks independently without any Ferrari specific software needed.
I forgot the brand/model but I'm going to borrow it again and see how it works on the FF.

 

In the spirit of this topic, here is a link to a discussion of OBD-2 readers.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/obd-tool.649338/#post-148178834

 

Since this is the DIY thread, here is a list of some of my notes

-Parts List-

Engine Oil Filter 280459

Engine Oil Shell Helix Ultra Racing 10W60 13 liters

Brake Fluid Shell Donax UB Brake Fluid Dot4 Ultra 1.2 liters (I will see if Castrol SRF might work instead)

Power Steering Fluid Pentosin CHF 11S 1.6 liters

Windshield Washer Fluid 6 liters

Air Filter Cartridge 223039

Pollen Filter 82035700

PTU Gear Oil Shell TF 1055 3 liters (I will see if Redline 74W90NS might work instead)

DCT Gear Oil Shell Transaxle 75w90 / Spirax S5 3.5 liters (I will see if Redline 74W90NS might work instead)

Clutch System & DCT Controls Shell DCT F3 7.75 liters (I will see if Redline 31004 DCTF might work instead)

Spark Plugs 297423

Cooling Circuit 50% Shell Glycoshell / 50% Carix G30 16.9 liters

AC System Refrigerant R134a 560g

AC System Compressor RL 897 200mL

PTU Electrohydraulic Actuator Shell DCT F3 0.6 liters (I will see if Redline 31004 DCTF might work instead)

Lift Hydraulic System Shell Donax TX / Shell Spirax S4 ATF HDX 1.1 liters (I am not sure what a replacement might be for this)

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If you are covered under the 7 year maint I believe this is the list of services your car will get (there is a lower limit and upper limit time wise, so you can't just request the service when you want)

-Ferrari Authorized Service-
Annual Service or 12,500 Miles -a-
Annual Service or 12,500 Miles -b-
Annual Service or 12,500 Miles -c-
Annual Service or 12,500 Miles -d-
Annual Service or 12,500 Miles
Annual Service or 12,500 Miles
Annual Service or 12,500 Miles
Brake Fluid Change -each 2 years-
Brake Fluid Change -each 2 years-
Auxillary Belt Change -each 4 years/37,500 miles-
Annual Service or 12,500 miles
PTU Gears Oil Change -each 4 years/12,500 miles-
PTU Gears Oil Change -each 4 years/12,500 miles-
Annual Service or 12,500 miles -e-
Air Filter Change -each 2 years/12,500 miles-
Air Filter Change -each 2 years/12,500 miles-
Air Filter Change -each 2 years/12,500 miles-
Auxillary Belt Change -each 4 years/37,500 miles-
Annual Service or 12,500 miles
Annual Service or 12,500 miles
Annual Service or 12,500 miles -f-
Brake Fluid Change -each 2 years-

Service at 62,500 Miles
Spark plugs change -each 37,500 miles-
Spark plugs change -each 37,500 miles-

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This is a list of what I expect to be done

-Every Year Annual Service-
Inspect Brake Pads and Rotors, Replace if necessary
Inspect for Leaks
Inspect Engine Drive Belt, Replace if necessary
Replace Engine Oil Filter
Replace Engine Oil
Inspect Power Steering Fluid, Engine Coolant, Windshield Washer Fluid, Top up if necessary
Replace Pollen Filter
Replace Windshield Wiper Blade
Check Tire Pressure

-Every Two Year Service-
Replace Brake Fluid
Replace Air Filter Cartridge

-Every Four Year Service-
Replace Engine Drive Belt

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-This ends up being my maint schedule-

12,500 miles
Every Year Annual Service

25,000 miles
Every Year Annual Service
Every Two Year Service

37,500 miles
Every Year Annual Service

50,000 miles
Every Year Annual Service
Every Two Year Service
Every Four Year Service

62,500 miles
Every Year Annual Service
Change DCT Gearbox Gear Oil
Change Hydraulic Power Steering Fluid
Change Spark Plugs

And repeat

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I wanted to place in here the discussions in another thread for the FF/Lusso on how to check for the possibility of an internal seal leak of the PTU.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ff-ptu-design-flaw.605529/page-27

The general idea is if the internal PTU seal is leaking, then the hydraulic fluid from the reservoir tank will drain into the PTU and eventually cause it to fail. So it would be a good idea to periodically check the reservoir tank (I would say at minimum during each annual service) in case of it being drained.

It's a simple check to see that the reservoir tanks fluid is at the minimum level, all that's needed is to remove the engine bay cover on the LHD side.
There are 2 tanks for the fluid, a filler tank at the top and the tank that actually holds all the fluid right underneath. The top filler tank would usually be empty as this is only there to have easy access for re-filling. The larker tank underneath is what needs to always be full.

Removing the engine bay cover is straight forward, just remove all the allen head screws that are easily visible. There is 1 allen screw that is hidden towards the center of the cover underneath the weather stripping. Once removed you'll see the tanks next to the headlight. The lower tank will have a minimum fill line mark that is visible. If your fluids are above this line then all should be good. If it's below the line then you'll probably want to have the car checked out for possible external leaks, or a proper check of the fluid inside the PTU to know for sure if it's mixed.

Picture guides are below, good luck!


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I have exposed the PTU oil reservoir on my 2014 FF to top off the PTU. The correct lube is Shell DTC-F3 . I am hoping this will clear the fault codes I am having.
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Where to purchase Shell DTC-F3 in the U.S.?

 

Not sure about the Shell oil specifically, but I would guess you can get it from dealers. Also to note Ferrari is not the only manufacturer who uses it, I believe VW group and Mercedes use the same in their DCT's so perhaps it can be bought from them as well.

Alternatively, most of the smaller oil brands, liqui moly, red line, amsoil, etc... have their own DCT fluids that meet the same specs as the Shell version. And you can of course buy any of those directly from them.

 

I purchased a quart on ebay. GTE engineering in NJ has it available as well although its not the Shell brand 973-324-7841

 

I am trying to Wrap my head around this, so may I ask the following questions and ask for help to fully comprehend?

1. The first Reservoir is the transparent one with the easy to fill top, which takes a 75w90 oil and mit NOT be filled till the top?

2. Where is that second Reservoir exactly that needs the hydraulic clutch oil? And how does that oil differ if it's also a 75w90?

Thank you for your help!

 

No, the front transmission filler tank side does not use standard 75w90 gear oil. Do not use that or you're going to have a bad day.

The filler tank side of the front transmission uses DCT fluid.

Both the top and bottom front reservoirs are connected together. You pour the fluid into the top tank and it just flows into the bottom tank. The top tank serves as a filler/expansion, so it is actually important the top tank not have much of any fluid in it so the bottom fluid is allowed to "spill over" into the top tank. If the top tank is filled there won't be any space for the fluid to expand into, causing too much fluid pressure that can can damaged the pump.

The bottom tank is the main one that feeds the pump directly and should always be filled to the top. Note that when the car is turned on and the pump is primed it will suck-in fluid, and when the car is turned off the pump will sort of spit the fluid back out into the tank

Both tanks are transparent btw

 

So in there, See attached pictures, goes only DCT oil and NOT 75w90?

Motul also lists a 75w90, which confuses me

Thanks again!


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And on the attached Diagram, i marked it up too, is that correctly understood by me that there DCT Fluid only is put in?

And where exactly does the 75w90 then go anyway?
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Yes your diagram arrow is where you put the DCT fluid.

Keep in mind, those filler tanks where the DCT fluid goes is not the PTU. It's only for the hydraulic pump that's the smaller control unit in that diagram.

The PTU is the larger unit in that diagram. That's where the 75w90 gear oil goes. They are 2 separate units that require different types of fluids. There really isn't any reason or need to flush the PTU gear oil.