FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN GRAN PREMIO D'ITALIA 2021 - Monza...RACE....▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS▄▀▄▀▄▀...

LULU fashion boi looked left twice between T1 and T2 and then cranked the wheel hard left. He saw MV
360° Cam: Lewis Hamilton And Max Verstappen's Crash | 2021 Italian Grand Prix - YouTube

 

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No one’s saying Lewis didn’t know/realize Max was there. From the point of view of Lewis (and many others), there was no reason for him to “cede” the Turn 1-2 Rettifilo chicane complex to Max because it/they wasn’t/weren’t yet Max’s corner(s), meaning Max wasn’t yet sufficiently alongside enough for the move to be “on.”

 

keeping your primary competitor behind you is kind of the point of racing, I’d surmise….

 

no max had right to be there. LH can see him. Max front tire is along side right up to LH mirror. In racing you do not need to be even. You need to present yourself and you need be seen (often viewed as up to mirror with front wheel), at the mirror you occupy space and then deserve racing room (3/4 car width 1 car width typically spelled out in the GCR). That’s why brundle, and some other racers say racing incident.

 

One guy’s trying to pass and the other guy’s trying to prevent him from passing. Someone’s got to give…if neither does, there’s a crash. High-stakes game of chicken.

 

You have two guys battling for the WDC in this case though, and neither is willing to give a millimeter. Whoever does will most likely be the championship runner-up. (LH has given way more often than Max, but I don't think that will continue).

Best case scenario is that they aren't running 1-2 in a race (or 3-4 in this case).

 

Not really. The problem is neither respects the other and it is as much a mental as physical game. Both need to let the other know that either is willing to crash with each other. The more money on the line the more competitive the series the more you have this situation. This happens all the way down to us amateurs in SCCA clubracing trying to win a plastic trophy. We have a wide range of competitiveness in every series. If Max or lewis had a haas in that position the requisite 1 car width would have been given either by ham or by max because the risk isn't worth the reward and max or ham is not racing haas. A haas would not be in the max or ham position because haas is trying to finish a race. Haas has no chance of wining.

There are rules like the 1 car width and responsibility to give space and responsibility to avoid collision, and what constitutes presenting yourself and what constitutes deserving of racing room. I have raced for decades. The rules to me are clear. Some situations are gray. I do not think this is one of them but stewards at the highest level F1 say otherwise. I'm just a lowly amateur clubracer.

 

Yes, you can tell for sure. Still waiting for the flurry of responses by those who screamed about Max supposedly not checking on their favorite professional victim after the incident.

 

The fact that Max still has more wins, more points, AND more DNFs this year is amazing. HAM gets this DNF and it's headlines (1st one in 63 races), MAX gets this DNF and it's the 3rd one this year. That right there should be telling MAX to just breath and finish the race.

 

Would the same rules apply to the Silverstone event then? Hamilton was on the inside, clearly presented himself and Max initially left room then made a move to claim the corner. The mitigating judgement was whether he was coming in 'too hot' to actually avoid a collision....a similar judgement to Max coming in 'too late' at Monza. I think you've laid it all out properly, based on your experience and the rules, but it seems the stewards are saying that in each case the driver attempting the pass was a little 'over the line' and responsible for the accident.

 

Great advice...

Horner and Marko should be saying this to him daily. At some point, it will hurt. There aren't too many races left now and the margin for error is decreasing. He will most likely leave Russia trailing in the WDC (you can never tell with Merc mistakes this year though), so if you have the better car, make it count moving forward.

 

Pretty much what Joe Saward is saying - if anyone's given up reading his recent notebooks, they've really improved and there's some good writing in between the F1 thoughts :

This year’s race was brilliant – and unexpected. I won’t dwell on the incident, except to say that the blame was apportioned “predominantly” to Max Verstappen, which was the opposite call to the crash at Silverstone where Lewis Hamilton was deemed to be “predominantly” at fault. Thus, one must conclude – whether one agrees or not – that the FIA Stewards in both cases felt that there was a level of fault on both sides. We used to call that a racing incident but for some reason these days folks want blame to be handed down fall almost everything. Whatever the analysis, however, this was a clear indication of the value of the halo.

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/09/15/green-notebook-from-the-bar-caracciola/

Best,
Sammy

 

The official explanation is here.

 

It is always over the line if there is a crash. If there was no crash we would be talking about how awesome that fight was where max got by or ham got by to win. As Senna famously said, "you are no longer a racing driver if you see a gap and don't go for it." There is a great thread in B&I about success. The one take away from that thread is big success means big risk. That theme of risk reward prevails throughout all parts of life.

 

This crash worked in Max's favour though. Lewis was on the faster tyre, in a faster car, in the DRS zone (if he didn't get passed in T1-2 anyways).

The other 2 Max wasn't at fault, an exploding tyre and punted in the first lap twice in a row (one not leading to retirement).

So Horner/Marko could say to Max that he should finish all the races...but if it wasn't for things mostly beyond his control, he's been doing exactly just that. He's been the most consistent driver all season.

 

So when does Red Bull need a new 4th power unit and a 10 place grid drop? Do you take it at the next race and combine it with the 3 grid drop penalty? What's the difference starting 10th vs 13th your still in a sea of slower cars.

 

It's an interesting question, and Baku may be the place to take the new engine. However, Hamilton will need one, too, before the season ends. And the Merc, seemingly more than most motors, drops off with age. So expect LH to have a race where he'll face a 10 place drop to get himself a new PU.

 

You are correct…Max was not the reason the WDC tightened up. I’m just saying, moving forward, they should focus on being clean & staying out of the fray. Of course, without the untimely and horrible pit stop, this wouldn’t be a discussion. I think the point is more that ‘after all of that, you are still leading the WDC. Bring it home’. Anything different would be irresponsible on behalf of the team.

 

Italian Grand Prix flopped to 15million Euros loss

Date published: September 16 2021 - Finley Crebolder

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The Italian GP has recorded a loss of 15million Euros, with the number of people attending the race this year far lower than expected.

After the 2020 race weekend at Monza was held behind closed doors, the circuit welcomed fans back to the grandstands this year.

Due to the ongoing pandemic, the attendance was limited to 50% of the total capacity on each day, with the aim being to reach that limit.

However, the number of ticket sales ultimately proved to be hugely disappointing, with just 16,000 being sold for race day.

The president of the circuit, Giuseppe Redaelli, has now revealed that this had led to a loss totalling 15million Euros, and says that changes will be made going forward as a result.

“We are working on improving the use of the track as a ‘Temple of Speed’ and want to focus more on research and innovation in the future,” he told Gazzetta dello Sport.

 

Agreed

 

Toto just said he expects Lewis to finish this season with 3 engines an not having to take the penalty.

 

Fingers crossed his engine melts in one of those races.

 

Is any form of auto racing making money...as in a profit? I'm guessing that a few vintage events might be...but not much. The fact is that the attachment and attraction to the automobile is in serious decline. Owning is not the rule...leasing...and soon subscribing...are the future. But they will be 4 wheeled smartphones more than automobiles. Pods that arrive at our door, transport us, and then get sent through a disinfecting bath before use by the next customer. And faster than we expect, all that was our lives will be forgotten.