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  1. Mitch Alsup

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    Lando Norris & Daniel Ricciardo Delivering The 2021 F1 Italian GP Trophies To McLaren

     
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  4. DF1

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    Ridiculous size now. The new regs should have produced smaller chassis like the MP4-23.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    The proper chassis and wheelbase dimensions were 312T2.
     
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    McLaren also expects new engines for both Norris & Ricciardo.
     
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  8. DF1

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    McLaren F1 driver Norris to move to Monaco from UK
    By: Jonathan Noble
    Nov 30, 2021, 5:01 PM
    Lando Norris has revealed he will move from the UK to Monaco this winter, with the Formula 1 driver feeling the timing is right from a career and financial perspective.

    ..........
    While Norris is not hiding from the financial motivation behind his move, he says he is aware that some may choose to criticise him for it.

    "Of course I'll understand and there's going to be some [criticisms] for sure," he said.

    "But people do many things in life for money. This is just another one."
     
  9. Adrian Thompson

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    I like his frank honesty and not trying to pander to opinion. Already liked him, this attitude makes me like him more.
     
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    Good for him! If you have the ability, go where you're treated best.

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  11. subirg

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    He’s doing the right thing. A sportsman’s career is short so the move to Monaco for tax reasons has to be made early in one’s career for it to make sense. The U.K. tax rate for him will be north of 50%. That’s a monumental amount of money and it would be frankly foolish of him not to do this.
     
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  12. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Happy to see Mclaren stronger. Hopefully more so with the new cars etc for next season!

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/seidl-important-mclaren-got-to-grips-with-mercedes-pu-ahead-of-new-f1-regs/6886290/

    Seidl: "Important" McLaren got to grips with Mercedes PU ahead of new F1 regs
    By: Luke Smith
    Dec 17, 2021, 5:30 AM
    Andreas Seidl feels it was “very important” for McLaren to get on top of working with its new Mercedes Formula 1 power unit in 2021 ahead of the new regulations.
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    McLaren rekindled its famed partnership with Mercedes for the 2020 season, having previously enjoyed works support from the German manufacturer from 1995 for 2014.

    While McLaren slipped to fourth place in the constructors’ standings behind Ferrari, the team enjoyed a strong season as it scored 73 more points and picked up its first win for nearly nine years in the Italian Grand Prix with Daniel Ricciardo.

    Changing power unit suppliers can often be a difficult and challenging period for teams, but McLaren managed to hit the ground running with Mercedes after integrating the new power unit into its car despite the majority freeze in the regulations.

    McLaren F1 boss Seidl felt it was important for the team to have got on top of working with Mercedes ahead of the new technical regulations from 2022, allowing it to confidently design its car around the power unit.

    “We have a great team in place, we have all the talents in place that I think we need in order to make the next steps,” Seidl said.

    “We simply need time. We are ambitious of course, but at the same time you need time to see the results of that, and I’m very happy we could make this next step.

    “One very important thing this year was to get our partnership with Mercedes up and running through this year before the new technical regulations come into place.

    “We could gain a lot of experience this year already with the Mercedes power unit, and [it] puts us in a better position designing a completely new car for next year knowing already the Mercedes power unit.

    “So that was a job really well done as well on both sides.”
     
  13. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    I put this here to not clutter the Car Reveals thread so much -

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-bold-f1-novelties-spotted-on-the-mclaren-mcl36/8088062/

    Formula 1 / McLaren launch News
    The bold F1 novelties spotted on the McLaren MCL36
    McLaren revealed its new MCL36 with a vibrant new livery, but there are as many novelties in the design details as there are with its bold colour choice.
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    By: Matt Somerfield
    Feb 11, 2022, 4:26 PM


    Let’s get one of the obvious things out of the way first, seeing as there has already been speculation regarding the design of the car's front suspension.

    As was hinted in the team’s fire-up video, the car features a pull rod layout at the front, which we’ve seen it use as recently as 2013 but abandoned just a year later as we moved into the hybrid era.

    Both push and pull rod systems offer trade-offs in terms of where the weight of the suspension components are placed in the chassis. The pull rod is mounted low down, but push rod is considered to be easier to work on for the mechanics as the components are more accessible.

    The position of the arm amongst the other suspension components also has some aerodynamic ramifications and is most likely the overriding factor in its decision to utilise a pull rod layout at the front of the car.

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    McLaren MCL36 Rear Suspension

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    The real unknown in terms of suspension was at the rear of the car though, and it has flipped the script and gone for a push rod layout here, shown above.

    The images suggest the team has also opted to replace the raised upright solution – that are banned this season – with a multi-link arrangement instead, as the forward arm is lower than the rear (red arrow, above).

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    McLaren MCL36 front details

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    Moving on to aero, the front wing design follows the direction that we’ve seen from others so far in that the mainplane is not connected to the body of the nose. This allows more freedom in the position of the element relative to the ground.

    McLaren has opted for a drooped central section (red arrows, above), which means it doesn’t have to be so aggressive with the design of the entire wingspan.

    The three upper elements connect to the nose cone, with the tip of the nose set slightly back off the edge of the first element.

    The adjustable section of the wing is also set further outboard than the Aston Martin, with the flap adjuster found just ahead of the front tyre.

    Interestingly, McLaren has created shut lines between the flaps and their joint with the endplate, which will undoubtedly lead to a collection of vortices being shed from them and fed across and around the tyre (blue arrows).

    This attempt to recoup some of the outwash that the regulations are trying to prevent will be assisted by the shape of the endplate too, as it’s tilted away from the vertical where it meets with the diveplane (white arrows).

    The main body of the nose isn’t very tall, allowing plenty of room for airflow to make its way centrally to the car’s underfloor. In order to achieve this, there's two distinct transitions as the nose increases in height to meet with the chassis.

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    McLaren MCL36 nose

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    The team has also set its front brake duct fence slightly away from the tyre’s sidewall in order that airflow is captured between the two surfaces. This will help feed the very small brake duct inlet that pokes out through either side of the fence.

    The sidepods are reminiscent of the design used by McLaren for the last few seasons, albeit with a new inlet designed to meet the criteria of the new regulations.

    The upper surface of the sidepod slopes down to meet the inlet, with the lower leading edge set back behind. However, there’s a distinct lack of undercut beneath the inlet at the stage.

    The sidepod is much narrower than what we’ve seen elsewhere and it follows the previous design trend of sloping away quickly towards the floor to expose it and the coke bottle region to as much airflow as quickly as possible.

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    Lando Norris, McLaren MCL36

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    The tail end of the sidepods and the engine cover are slightly bulged to accommodate the power unit and exhausts installed within, and then feed into a high waisted cooling outlet at the rear of the car.

    The floor features the premature upkick before the diffuser, as we’ve seen elsewhere, However, the team has moved to a single swan-neck style rear wing mounting pillar that’s connected to the DRS actuator pod.

    It’s unclear without a rearward shot whether the beam wing is made up of one or two elements at this stage.

    And although there’s no shot of the diffuser there’s no reason to suggest that the team won’t also use the maximum size available, rather than the more aesthetically pleasing solution that appeared on the FOM show car.

    There are a couple of signs of the team's aerodynamic intent too, as fins can be found mounted behind the curved wing mirror mounts and on the vertical halo supports.

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    McLaren MCL36 winglets

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    Perhaps most interestingly of all, whilst the team is being coy and not revealing all the design features on its floor, such as the inboard strakes that are permitted, slightly hidden away from view there’s a very different approach with the shape of the entranceway to its underfloor tunnels that we must pay attention to.

    As noted by the red arrows in the below image, the floor appears to fall away near the chassis to create a crevice which is fed by the bib and splitter section below the chassis.

    Not only does this have an impact on the width of the tunnel, but it appears to rob some surface area from the bib (see how the yellow line which denotes the tunnel wall sits on top of the bib, which is highlighted with a white line).

    This arrangement may not only help to accelerate flow around the front face of the sidepod as it emerges from the crevice on the top side of the floor, but it might also increase the size of the tunnel entrance.

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    McLaren MCL36 tunnel entrance and bib
     
  14. DF1

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    McLaren had to "question quite a lot" designing F1 car under cost cap
    McLaren was forced to “question quite a lot” in the design of its new MCL36 Formula 1 car for 2022 due to the limitations of the budget cap.
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    By: Luke Smith
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    Feb 13, 2022, 5:06 AM
    The 2022 season marks the start of a new technical era for F1 following a significant overhaul of the regulations, forcing teams to rethink many of their existing processes.

    An additional challenge has been the presence of the budget cap, which was introduced last year at $145m and will drop to $140m this year.

    The 2022 car is the first to have been fully designed under the restrictions of the budget cap after the freeze in the regulations due to the COVID-19 pandemic meant last year’s cars were largely carried over from 2020.


    Speaking ahead of the launch of McLaren’s new F1 car on Friday, team principal Andreas Seidl explained how the impact of the budget cap led to every process being questioned in the design and production of the MCL36.

    "The big challenge obviously getting ready for this new season was to develop a completely new car under completely new technical regulations from scratch, in parallel to the cost cap being in place for the first time last year,” Seidl explained.

    “It meant we had to question quite a lot. A lot of things we were used to from the past in terms of approach, in terms of how to manufacture parts as well, how to design them, in order to make manufacturing simpler for example, using cheaper materials where possible.

    “There was a big rethink going on in terms of the number of parts that you want to produce per specification, which brought a lot of new aspects to many ways that we were doing things in the past.”

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    Daniel Ricciardo, McLaren MCL36

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    McLaren has already changed its approach to parts production, opting for a leaner strategy to give it more flexibility for updates.

    The team is planning to bring an update package to the opening race of the year in Bahrain after pre-season testing.

    The overhaul of the aerodynamic regulations and return of ground effect for this year is targeted at improving wheel-to-wheel racing and reducing the loss in downforce when following another car.

    McLaren technical director James Key explained at the launch that it was “the biggest change we’ve ever seen on the chassis side” and a “really fundamental change”.

    “We’ve got [new 18-inch] tyres, and the regulations in the background,” Key said.

    “We often talk about how the sport is regulated technically but that’s all changed as well.

    “[There are] new safety measures, which aren’t often touched on, but that’s changed quite considerably for these cars, and also all the visible side with the aerodynamics and so on.

    “It’s definitely a blank sheet of paper in a lot of places.”

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclaren-had-to-question-quite-a-lot-designing-f1-car-under-cost-cap/8130228/
     
  15. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    The big question for me is this - who can adapt fast and well!

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/norris-experimenting-with-driving-style-to-adapt-to-2022-f1-car/8399599/

    Norris experimenting with driving style to adapt to 2022 F1 car
    McLaren Formula 1 driver Lando Norris says he has been experimenting with his driving style for the all-new 2022 F1 cars and is conscious that he might need to adapt to the new McLaren.
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    By: Filip Cleeren
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    Feb 22, 2022, 10:38 AM
    F1 has introduced its biggest rule change since 2009 with cars that feature completely overhauled aerodynamics designed around ground effect.

    While F1's pre-season officially starts in Barcelona on Wednesday with the first of two three-day tests, drives have already sampled their new equipment in the virtual world with plenty of hours in the simulator.

    Norris says he's used his time in the sim to experiment with changing his driving style to suit his team's MCL36 challenger, in case the new car needs a different approach to get the most out of it.

    "Of course, that's in the back of my head," he said when asked if he's mindful of having to adapt his driving to the 2022-spec cars.

    "On the simulator I've been spending a lot of time not just driving the car but being prepared to drive it in different ways and being ready to drive in different driving styles because of this.

    "I would say our car has been quite specific in the last few years in how to drive it and how to get performance out of it. That showed through Daniel [Ricciardo] coming to drive the car. I think it is the case that some cars are easier to adapt to than others."

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    Lando Norris, McLaren MCL36

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    In his first year at the Woking team Ricciardo struggled to get used to McLaren's predecessor, the MCL35M, but the 2022 reset now puts both drivers on equal footing.

    Norris is conscious every driver on the grid could end up in Ricciardo's 2021 situation, although the Briton is confident in his ability to quickly get used to new machinery.

    "I think there's that for everyone: that they might suit people's driving styles more than others, and it could potentially be a hard one for me," Norris acknowledged. "But that is life, right? You have to deal with it.

    "Before F1 I had to deal with it in every category I did, and I spent one year in every season and each year I had to adapt something new and try to make the most of that.

    "It has been proven by champions and race winners that an F1 car is not an easy thing to get your head around and get in the zone, which I felt I did more last year and that is what Daniel struggled with.

    "I hope it suits my driving style and everything's groovy but definitely there will be things I have to adapt to.

    "Now that this [car] is very different it is going to be different for me and different for Daniel."
     
  16. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Nice summary of Mclaren's status lol -

    Lando Norris says it will not be 'a simple fix' as McLaren look to turnaround MCL36 after Bahrain challenges
    Lando Norris and Daniel Ricciardo finished 15th and 14th at the Bahrain Grand Prix; Norris: "The car is not quick enough, it's not grippy enough and it's not got enough downforce"
     
  17. pilotoCS

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    Yeah, but other than that . . . .
     
  18. 375+

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    Another team with a "hand in the toilet".
     
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    We were told it was a front brakes cooling issue?
     
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    This is surprising. So the first test session that seemed to go ok was all low fuel runs I guess.
     
  21. Bas

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    Like Helmut Marko said when commenting who is where on Testing...MClaren doing glory runs to get sponsors.
     
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  22. DF1

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    Norris: Long-term McLaren F1 deal allows for better work-life balance
    Lando Norris believes his long-term Formula 1 deal with McLaren has allowed him to strike a better work-life balance and relax more away from racing.

    Im pleased for him but Mclaren need to offer him a better car or he can balance no title shot against all his talent lol.
     
  23. moretti

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    The McClunken is rubbish, so much for their comment some years back that they had the best chassis and only needed a good engine ... well that didn't help
     
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  24. DF1

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    Yes but they have got Lando - with his work-life balance optimized!

    Please stop with the 'hate' ok lol?? :) :)
     
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