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812 successor

LaFerrari successor is completely unrelated, it will be hybrid and maybe turbo (V12)

 

I sincerely hope twin turbocharging is not used. The whole reason the hybrid system was envisioned was to work around forced induction

 

I hear you, however, hybrid has a 'deeper' meaning in this EU regulatory world that Ferrari must exist within...specifically eliminating CO2, and turbocharging is not the same in that regard.

But, hybrid comes with lots of unwanted weight and bulk, not to mention decreased cabin space, the LaF had an ultra tiny battery, could not be used to independently propel the car like the SF90, so that new hypercar's battery is surely to be larger, and like the SF90, it eats at cabin space)

So to achieve some modicum of 'zero CO2' output and reducing superfluous weight as much as possible, enter turbocharging. For instance, the new V6 in the 296 would require a lot more battery weight and electric motor weight to reach the same power as turbocharging provides. That's why the SF90 is turbo+hybrid, if was V8+hybrid the only way to get to 1000PS would be more battery, and motors (like in the Rimac refrigerator appliance, almost 5000 pounds and 4 motors and nearly all carbon chassis otherwise would be over 5000 pounds)...or a much larger V8, but the "world" has decided, almost uniformly between all EU makers, to max out at 4L (the SF90 V8 is 4L)

Anyway, for the LaF successor, its engine size will not be significantly larger (for instance, it will not be 7.5L or 8L) so, to keep the battery/hybrid weight down and exceed the LaF performance (remembering it does use a carbon chassis), turbocharging to the rescue, with new EU crash rules, the chassis will be additionally reinforced (not to mention the weight of the GPFs that the Laf did not have) and thus heavier, so more power, maybe 200PS more than the LaF...unless the LaF exceeds 2000kg, gotta do something to keep the weight down...)

anyway, that's some of what I am thinking here in this regard

 

Personally, if you ask me all they have to do is keep the weight below the laferrari if possible. Weight can be saved elsewhere in the design, (maybe making the engine a stressed member of the chassis perhaps and probably removing some of the non essential comforts and we have developed batteries capable of higher capacities with lower weights, It’s not too much of a big deal for me as imo Ferrari was never a specialist in saving weight. Look at the enzo for instance. Power wise I’d be fine with just 1200hp from the v12 and the hybrid system. 1000hp in a sub 7 liter v12 was proven possible by cosworth after all

 

Who said it is 2-3 million? The Monza was 1.6m EUR with taxes over here.


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I agree with you.
The naturally aspirated v12, for Ferrari, should be dogma.
Enzo Ferrari loved these types of cars with the aspirated v12. Cars like the 812 and later should be preserved by Ferrari.
As far as the hybrid is concerned, the world is going in this direction and it's fine (or rather we make it fine).
But thinking about a double turbo...I already have the shivers.

So NO GRAZIE

 

From Marchionne to Leiters, they said more than once in all those years that they have zero plans for turbocharged V12s, so no need to worry.

PS: I also remember an interview with Leiters, where he said that, in order to properly turbocharge a V12, four turbochargers would be needed. Simply nuts. Maybe someone can find the link.

 

Can't do better than the Valkyrie and don't want to do a T 50, so ...

 

Cosworth past skillset is race car engines, not street; I do consider their V12 for the Valkyrie may come with a short "shelf life" between complete rebuilds...as in less than 7000 miles, if any are driven that distance. When you build an engine in that manner you can take short cuts and achieve output beyond what a more durable engine can produce (such that Ferrari makes, the F12TDF for instance, at least 50,000 miles before recommended solid lifter service)

 

the valkayre is more of a statement car... one mans ego plus aston's lackluster condition that time,they needed to show something to the world. the result is this. they set the target very high but forgot about real-life applicability. a car hard to fit in, undriveable on roads and mostly uncomfortable. what is it ? a race car...? road going race car or race going road car? and they have reliability issues. they wanted to go lemans with this car but it was actually a false promise. besides it is ugly.
my guess is, next laferrari will be mostly like the current one with natural evolution.

 

It'a proper supercar, that's what it is.
Who gives a **** about real life applicability ?!?? If you want that, buy a saloon or something. A supercar has only one purpose: to put a smile on your face when your drive it. Nothing else. It's not ****ing meant for grocery shopping, or everyday driving.

 

The actual number for an engine rebuild on the Valkyrie is actually higher then the tdf’s at 62,000 miles

 

I believe that the tdf doesn't require an engine rebuild at 100,000 km (62,000 miles).

 

It doesn’t, but I assume Ferrari’s engineers can make a more robust engine then cosworth.

 

Can you please send that link referring to that? Thank you1

 

De gustibus non est disputandum.....I find it very nice.

Anyway regarding the AM-RB 001/Project Nebula commonly known as Valkyrie. I think you have to do a deeper analysis and look at the project as a whole.

If you are lucky enough to talk to Adrian Newey you will find out that he wanted to design a "superbike-car" (a concept that is also reflected in the Dallara Stardale, although in a different way), as he said at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.

.A bike like the Ducati Panigale Superleggera you don't use it to go to work every day or take a 600km trip.
You take it out of the garage on Saturdays and Sundays for a ride through the curves of a hill near your home, or you take it straight to the track, which is probably the best solution.

What you say about problems in testing and construction are true and Newey himself has admitted it.

However I think Aston Martin has been brave. They have moved the competition to a higher level; in all respects.

Someone (fortunately) has decided to follow this path, in fact Bugatti will produce the "Bolide".

I'm a Ferrari fan but if I have to make a criticism of the line-up it's the lack of a car similar to the Valkyrie.

This is my very personal idea.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motor1.com/news/297399/aston-martin-valkyrie-engine-life/amp/

 

The Tdf was not an engine rebuild, but adjustment of the solid lifters (since they are not variable adjust like their other engines).

Found this
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1120415_aston-martin-valkyries-1000-hp-11100-rpm-v-12-rated-for-62000-miles

looks like at 62,000 miles they are worried about the block being cracked and needing an entirely new engine.

I cannot find where they updated that rating of 62,000 miles, it is from 3 years ago, and is the Valkyrie being released to customers yet? Was supposed to happen months ago...

 

2 years after that (news on the link above):
https://carbuzz.com/news/aston-martin-has-a-critical-valkyrie-decision-to-make

I think I saw in a Cosworth video where 6500 miles was mentioned for an engine review (for that V12)

 

... so do something different such as 4.5 litre V12 with turbos and heavier hybridisation.

 

Technically they could do a Valkyrie (which I think is the best current hypercar concept), after all Ferrari can easily outdo Cosworth when it comes to ICE. I doubt that they will though. Ferrari will probably go for something different. My dream would be a T1-like land missile. Let's wait and see.

 

We hope to see a Valkyria-style Ferrari.
However, I think you're right.

but dreaming costs nothing

 

You are so far off the truth for it to be laughable, there are many cosworth developed high performance road engines in all manner of marques, they just do not all wear that badges in order to save face for the manufacturer to have to admit it.

 

Please name one, there are many with components from Cosworth and where Cosworth 'tuned' a manufacture's existing engine; but it seems extremely rare (and many decades in the past) where the entire engine for any road car was Cosworth designed, developed and manufactured. And for a V12? Much less a V12 that is part of the structural frame where extremes are magnified?

https://www.cosworth.com/about-us/60-years/

I think you would be better citing examples of your point of view rather than me defending mine...

The fact that the Valkyrie is years beyond its expected release speaks volumes...

 

Mercedes 190 2.3 and 2.5 plus all the evolutions
Ford RS1800 escort
Ford Rs1700t
Ford RS200 and evolution
Ford Sierra Cosworth
Ford RS500 Cosworth
Ford Escort Cosworth
Ford Granada Cosworth
Chevrolet Vega
Vauxhall Astra 16v
Vauxhall Calibra 16v
Gordon Murray Design T50
Aston Martin Valkyrie

Well over 100,000 road cars engines just in that little group, and those are just the well publicised examples......