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F1 team bosses see no alternative to power unit grid penalties
By: Adam Cooper
Oct 28, 2021, 11:50 AM
Several Formula 1 team bosses say they cannot think of an alternative to the current grid penalty system for using more than three engines per season.
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Penalties have once again become a talking point this year, with title contenders Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen both having taken fourth power units and the associated move down the grid.

Many observers fear that another change and thus a penalty for either man over the final five races of the season could have a decisive impact on the title battle.

But Mercedes boss Toto Wolff argues it would be difficult to have a system that penalises only the team and not the driver.

“I think the penalty system on power units is pretty robust,” he said when asked by Autosport if it was time to revisit the concept of grid penalties.

“Because what we need to avoid is that we are building power units in a way that they perform at peak performance for only a few races.

“And if you change regulations, and you say okay, there is no grid penalty for the driver, but just constructor points, it will still mean that teams, if you're in a fight for a driver championship, will just throw engines at that car.

“I think if we come up with good solutions definitely it is worth looking at. It's confusing for the new fans why, out of the driver’s responsibility, an engine penalty puts him at the back of the grid, or 10 or five places away. And that's clearly not great, but I haven't got the solutions.”

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Red Bull, which will become an engine manufacturer when Honda leaves after 2021, is not a fan of the three engine limit per season.

Photo by: Giorgio Piola

Like Wolff, McLaren team principal Andreas Seidl cautioned that raising the limit would only encourage manufacturers to push the boundaries further.

“I obviously get the point that it is not ideal having all these penalties,” he said when quizzed on the topic by Autosport.

“But to be honest, I do not really see a straightforward solution to that because for example if you will decide let's go to four engines instead of three. We will end up all with five engines, because we would just crank up the engines.”

“In the end, it just shows that all the manufacturers teams are pushing each other so hard that we all push the technology we're using to the absolute limit or beyond and that's what ends then in issues or problems. So we simply have to accept that at the moment, and get on with it.”

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner, whose organisation becomes an engine manufacturer when it takes over the Honda project in 2022, believes that the current limit is too low.

"I've never been a fan of two engines or three engines,” Horner added. “For me you end up using four pretty much in a season anyway. So it's something we need to look out for the future.

“I mean, there's talk of going down to two engines, which I think would be a mistake. So it needs to be a sensible balance.”

 

That race, I think, had the best in-car shots ever.

Compared to that race/those cars, modern F1 drivers look like chauffeurs.

 

When Mansell overtook Berger on the outside of that long, sweeping turn . . . . magic! Bob Varsha went nuts!

 

I don't have a problem with engine penalties that effect the driver as it is a team sport. I do think 3 engines is crazy for a 22+ race season. 4 engines seems much more reasonable.

What I do have an issue with, is when a team have to change engines or gearbox because of a crash that was not their fault. Even in the case of a racing incident, if a driver crashes bad enough to damage the PU or Gearbox, no penalties should be awarded in the next race as the driver already paid the price with a DNF. Though a team should be obligated to prove that an engine or gearbox required to be changed to avoid teams throwing fresh parts after any wreck.

 

Thanks! Also thank you for letting me know about this website

 

Why should he be special ?

He can be just as miserable as the rest of us

 

BTW Joe, we need some more photos please

 

I hate the grid penalty system as well, but I also don't see a reasonable alternative. Unless the engines change significantly like they're talking about now (dropping the MGUH and therefore become much cheaper, then they can increase engine allowance for everyone to lets say 7-8.

That said, the ICE is a pretty un-complicated piece of kit, I don't see a reason why teams aren't allowed more.

 

How dare you guys discuss the 641/2 and not include an audio clip. Criminals.

1990 Ferarri 641 V12 3.5L SOUND - YouTube

 

Welcome Chris!

 

Sorry for posting that video guys. I just listened to it at full blast and made myself clinically depressed.

 

Uap in here you will find nasty people like Moretti or myself....not a good Company.

 

Demonstrating the proper line through that corner.

 

Joe lies alot. Its ok he makes nice pic posts

 

Red Bull safety car ready for transport
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Eight wheel drift