C8 Z06

Well said. I have not posted on fchat much since about 10 years ago when I bought my 360 (and still have) and remember reading many of your posts back then (iirc you had a yellow f430 then). your comment here is my point, butttttt Ferrari could also use it as a chance to shine and deliver a real unique performance and experience car, particularly if they offered a manual NA high reving mid engine , stripped out, lots of carbon but no fuss performance car for posters and track enthusiasts.

 

This makes owning an airplane seem like child’s play!

 

that’s what my flight instructor said.
I looked at the cost of running a maule and it came out to not less than 20k for the year.
So 10 days on track

part of being on track is the fun one has with freinds while there, were quite a band of pirates

 

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I got on the list at my dealership today.

I had talked to my salesman less than a week ago and at that point there were seventeen in front of me. When I gave them my deposit today I wound up at twenty-eight.

I wish I had got on the list at the same time I ordered the z51.

 

So think about this.

In one video on Tuesday Tadge said they had 12 engine builders who will make each engine in Bowling Green. In fact, they plan to open the "you build your own engine" program again for the Z06. He said they had 12 engine builders.

How many engines can one person assemble a day? 2? I assume the heads are already finished and the person is assembling the bottom end, putting on the heads, and putting on some connections, oil tanks, etc.

12 x 2 = 24 Z06's a day. That's 100 a month. That's 2400 a year. That's like Ferrari numbers. Just 3 dealers have more than that on "order" already. Unless this changes or they speed up engine production a lot of people will never get a car in the first 2 years.

 

Hey its a way off but this is kinda what I'm thinking. That natural interior is a lot cooler in the sun I can tell you.

HTC, Metallic red, 3LT, Natural interior, Lift, silver stripes, dark red calipers, machine finished wheels. So my guess is this is about $18 -20K in options over the base.
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is that red mist?
aero package
carbon accents everywhere
delete engine cover
magna ride standard?

 

Ah I forgot magnaride. Yes red mist. I've seen it both inside and outdoors and its really beautiful.

 

You killed me!

 

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I love it, reminds me of my old 458

 

Some interesting trivia facts about the new LT6 engine.

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https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/13-things-you-didnt-know-about-chevys-670hp-lt6-v-8/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_SaturdayRoadTrip_NoDynamicNoDOTW&hashed_email=8e43f6a5abf43ff70e0771781e4993de6c08fd1510eadb1414b4ce6b84c34e12

 

Ford tried to solve the vibes on the big(for a flat plane) motor in the Gt350 with heavy counterweights which negates some of the flat plane benefits.

Good to see Gm is starting with reducing reiprocating mass via light titanium rods and light crank, makes the engine even more revy.

 

Really close to the C8 in my driveway, red mist 3LT CHT with natural dipped interior, red calipers. I have the stinger stripes tho.
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Some things I did not know here...

13 details to know about the Z06’s 670-hp LT6 V-8

https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/13-things-you-didnt-know-about-chevys-670hp-lt6-v-8

 

What I'm hearing today is Magnaride is standard in all Z06

 

would love to see the twin plenum exposed with out the cover. its a work of art. very industrial looking.

 

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This is what I have in mind.

Hypersonic gray coupe with translucent top, 3LT with the red dipped interior, GT2 seats with level 2 carbon and ZO7 package.

Carbon mirrors/carbon stripe with black exhaust tips. Carbon brakes (no brake dust!) with black aluminum wheels and dark red calipers.

I like the carbon wheels but have concerns about their durability/chipping. Not going to track this car much so I don’t need super light wheels.

 

That color combo is my second choice but I worry about all that red with the top down.

 

Wonder what engineers at ferrari and lambo are thinking about in regards to this engine? Have to be a little jealous at na. My guess is they're saying this is maybe equal to 15 yr old 458 tech and if they could've kept na it would be 11k rpm at this point w their budget. Imagine how that would drive and sound?

 

I don't think the Europeans can or would build a 5.5L V8 anymore.

 

Ferrrai and lambo are heading all hybrid to keep up with euro regs and add even more irelevant power to make better paper numbers, all at huge cost.
The z06 is meant to be more of a Gt3 type car, hence the NA.

The ferrari and lambo, they dont have real track use ability.
Lambo seems to have had an exotic niche sticking with the NA v10 but thats coming to an end.
the z06 seems to offer something that splits the difference between a Gt3(performance) and a hurricane(exotic).

When vette does the twin turbo zr1 with 800hp, that will make ferrari and lambo notice cause thats their performnce niche, and when they do, the Zora with 1000hp hybrid will come out.

The only performance downside to the vette compared to euros is weight, but then theres a 50-200k discount..

Ferrari and lambo will sell on being exotic, euro styling, brand and exclusivity. Practicaly speaking between a Gt3 the soon to be released cayman GT4rs and the z06, neither ferrari nor lambo is in that hunt/category of performace, unless you count the STO and even then thats a runout model.

High reving NA built to work on track and last, do the italians even make a machine to work on track?, methinks they lost the plot, but ferraris and lambos sell like hotcakes with massive price/margins so do they care. And thats the point, ferrari is chasing irelevant paper numbers to stay ahead and offering exclusivity/styling, they abadoned the rest already and it works for them. If they really cared we'd see a new dino for drivers at 200k.

At this point its two different markets not because of price or status, but the cars are aimed at very different forms of use, the real competitors are GT4rs and Gt3, which are also still NA and have track ability. If I were porche Id take note of pricing and customer rape practices.

The vette is following the porche playbook, theres a regular C8/911, theres the NA track variant z06/Gt3 and then there will be the zr1/turbo and even the hybrid zora. The porche is 40-50% more $, parts are way more and you have to beg to get one. Vette in the end will make enough to make everyone who wants one happy. The vette is a mass built performance car like a porche, but its also a Mid engined exotic. A lambo that works for less $ than a porche.

Now we dont have to say bang for the buck, its just good.

Ferrari and lambo theyll say theyre not going backwards with NA, its all F1 tech yadda yadda and part of their brand DNA yadda yadda their customers will buy every car they can make. We could argue that like Acura thyere making a mistake, but who cares vette is offering us the car we want.

Im just estatic that team USA finally breaks the euro monopoly on great fast sportscars. Lotus could have done it too, but they seem lost for direction.

 

imo the italian engineers dont like turbos or hybird any more than we here do. theyre against the regulations and want to build to same blueprint as z06.

and just imagine what those guys could create with their history/budget/price point if chevy did so well at theirs. such lost opportunity that we will never know about but at least we saved the planet...

 

There is also probably only so far you can go with NA, their competitor is maclkaren and a na v8 wont compete on paper with a TT v8. At some point ferrai needed +700hp and now with hybrid v6 +800hp. That was not going to happen with NA, so the regs were also a good excuse to go turbo. I actualy think that hybrid v6 is going to be an exceptional powertrain, the elctric flywheel givign great tq down low and throttle response witht eh TTv6 screaming up the rest.

Now for sure one can make a really excellent NA mid engined car, just look at the T50. Id imagine ferrari could do something similar but simpler for 500k. But why bother when you can just make a metal car with twin turbos and make 200K profit.
They could have even done a v6 with 400hp and the alfa 4c tub for drivers at 200k, but why bother when you can selll 150K worth of options that cost 10K on aF8.Its the luca model, besides building brand cred with enthusiasts whats the point of doing a less expensive less powerful NA and therefore less profitable car.
Its simply not the ferrari schtick, even if the engineers are car guys they dont decide.

Porche still seems to care, because their brand cred is underpinned by the 911 and that is underpinned by the Gt3 which comes for race series. Its a miracle the car guys at Gm got their way, well not fully, Ill bet they would have happily ditched the 2 golf bag edict and the easy entry for lardasses which required the heavy centre tunnel. But hey they seem to have gotten a lot of good stuff in. Lets not forget that the basic architecture for the z06 motor comes from the blackwing which caddy paid for. Were talking the same essential motor with flat plane. Its a convergence of forces, and they were smart to do the lux Gt version first cause thats what 90% of buyers love. Its also a testament to how sophisticated design and prduction tools are that for a relatively modest price you can do single low volume designs

Ill bet once the zr1 comes out many z06 orders will switch to that, cause 90% just want a fast road car and the zr1 will be "faster"

The vette team is smart and they have done a lot with relatively little, so yes imagine what ferrari could have done had they cared but they dont. I rejoice that someone does, go USA..

 

This engine sounds absolutely brilliant and develops monster power. I wish it revved to 9k but other than that there’s nothing I’d do different. I’m beyond excited. However I’m all over the place on a spec.