2020 F40 Icona ...Its Coming, Get Excited!!!!

There was a whole back and forth here on the perceived shortcomings of not including a dry sump oiling system when the Roma was introduced. Cutting corners so to speak!

 

None on your list were engines that Cosworth designed from scratch, developed, and manufactured. There was no example of any such road car engine, there was nothing to ignore. Further, each of the cars you listed were documented "Cosworth parts" only such as heads, not full engines, not a single example in your list. You can easily look that up for each yourself.

For example, from your list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Cosworth_Vega

Chevrolet developed the car's all-aluminum inline-four 122 cu in (1,999 cc) engine, and British company Cosworth Engineering designed the DOHC cylinder head. 5,000 engines were built.

That's not an example of an engine that Cosworth built. If you delve into the history of each car you list you will find that same, none were engines designed at all by Cosworth, just upgraded parts, that's all they have done for road cars.

Cosworth is good at making race car engines, none are durable or for regular street cars.

 

I remember a certain bloke from Down Under, who was livid about that; can't recall his nickname. It's not about cutting corners though. It's horses for courses. A dry sump is not really needed in a road orientated vehicle. It perplexes things as a matter of fact. The oil checking procedure of the 812 is as complicated as that of a main battle tank...

 

https://www.hotcars.com/a-detailed-look-at-the-ford-sierra-rs-cosworth/

https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/cossie-cool-the-history-of-the-ford-sierra-rs-cosworth/

Synopsis:
Ford Pinto engine was the base:
With the backing of Walter Hayes, he approached Cosworth, Fords long-time engine partner and the firm behind both the BDA and the DFV race engine. They were presented with a 16-valve twin cam derivative of their own Pinto, which when turbocharged would be ideal for the project. For simplicity, the Sierra was chosen as a base car – rear wheel drive, aerodynamically sound, and already powered by the Pinto which ensured the new engine would fit.

 

Gentlemen… any news about the Icona 2?

 

I wont drag this thread further away from what it is actually about, as clearly this person has an agenda against the company,, but having owned over 10 road going cosworths over the years, high performance cars that sit 5 people in comfort, with a huge boot, and capable of over 150,000 miles between engine rebuilds, I can attest they make great engines for everyday use. He is clearly deluded that Cosworth have not, and cannot build such an engine.

The manufacturers required that the engines they built could actually fit in the cars that already existed so it simply made sense that base dimensions of the engines remained similar to those existing in the range. Cosworth even built a factory as shown in the above pic to build up and crate such engines to be shipped out to the manufacturers to put in their cars.

He is living in cloud cuckoo land if his thinks both the T50 and the Valkyrie will not make it to customers and be highly successful.

He makes no mention of Mercedes yet to bring their supercar to market either! when you are building such cars, at the pinnacles of engineering it simply takes time.

Lets now see if the Icona is a worthy competitor to these.

 

As already mentioned, SF90 has indeed some luggage space and certainly more than what can be found in Valkyrie.

Yes. Valkyrie is way more extreme. However, I have difficulties to classify it as a road car. It is essentially a racing car which didn't need to follow any aero rules. In this respect, I'm not impressed by its weight. The cockpit is cramped and appears to have no noise insulation. I just wonder are you allowed to drive this thing without earplugs or helmet? I am tempted to say that in road use it is best enjoyed with your girlfrind by parking it in a public place and letting people to admire it. Or what do you think from this?


Have to say though that it looks a lot better here than in that under the nose "duck" picture.

Anyway, SF90 is "extreme" in other ways. It actually provides comfort, space, noise insulation, 4WD, electric drive, every day usability, etc.

 

Back to Icona 2:

700 units x ~$2M = ~$1.4B
This is $1.4B/$5B projected 2021 revenues for Ferrari = a 28% increase in top line revenue from one special model!

I’d say they found a gold mine with Iconas.

 

Agreed


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The new Icona won't be a hypercar. We will have to wait for the "new LaFerrari" for that.

How come? Nowadays F1 cars are almost 800 kilos. The Valkyrie being 1150 is a great achievement for a hybrid road car.

 

Since Ferrari are not giving much away with the camo’d cars—and the reveal is 3 weeks way—I thought I’d take a shot at guessing what this car will look like. Apologies for the poor lighting of the shot.

This is probably too literal a reinterpretation of the original but I added what I think the A- (and “cosmetic” B- pillars) might look like based on the prototypes.

There’s something funky happening between the front wheel arches so I took some artistic licence with that. I’m not sure what the outside rear-view mirrors—if they’re are any on the final design—will look like. If there are any, hopefully they won’t hide the peaks of the front wheel arches.

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I was a bit hasty here. There are multiple weight figures fIying around. I suppose we don't even know the official weight. What you quoted was probably minimum target weight of 1 kg/hp.

Anyway, given the full blood racing car nature of car, it still has a long way to go Porsche 919 Evo, which weights 849 kg. But maybe that is unfair comparison given the road car requirements.

By the way, is it confirmed how big Valkyrie's KERS battery is? Wiki page claims the Rimac provided battery pack has a capacity of 40 kWh. I suppose that is a too big figure to be true?

 

Yes, yes...YES. We have a winner here.

 

Nice sketch!

 

Engine cover inspired from the P80/C, that’s well imagined, I like it!

Fabulous sketch, and I’ll be very curious to compare the real design with your imagination [emoji41]

 

I don't know if Mr Massini will agree with me, but personally, the Icona 2 is way too square to be a P4.
Your sketch is much more harmonious and creative

 

Thanks. Yes, just realized I was channeling the P80/C but actually was inspired by this—which was likely the inspiration for P80/C also:
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I imagine Ferrari would not do a literal reinterpretation of the P4 and I tried to sketch some thoughts but also liked this one best.

 

They would like it, it's been reinterpreted for some time.
SP 80 would have deserved to become an Icona with, to dream a little, the V 12 instead of the biturbo.

 

Its an icona (So high performance tribute, but not a hypercar. It will be along the same lines as the SP Monza) I would say V12, 820 - 850hp and Kerb weight 1250 - 1350kgs. The SP Monza was like 1500kgs and 800hp. I am just hopping as they have used a Laferrari as the base without the hybrid that will give the weight I have quoted.

 

A mid engine 850hp naturally aspirated V12 in a car the weight of a challenge car with a beautiful retro inspired body is a dream I want to wake up to in a few weeks.

Ingeniere, I really like your sketch!


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Still 3 weeks to go until the - what seems to be - the official public reveal of the Icona 2 at Finali Mondiali, and still almost nothing is known about this new car. Congrats Ferrari for keeping the secrets that well protected, that gives us hard work in being patient!

 

Given monza sp were 500 units, top tier number is or was 500.
Does 700 unit means 500 top plus 200 highest vips? Or Ferrari just increased number to 700 top tier?


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some top clients refused the monza and those allocations were moved to some second-tier clients. as we all assumed monza refusers won't get the second icona, because ferrari promised monza buyers will be privileged, but now it seems those monza deniers risked nothing by not accepting their allocations. we all know the reasons why some refused to have the monza but this time those deniers also will be desperate to have one. by keeping the numbers low , i think ferrari don't want to upset some.

 

some high end end clients felt the monzo wasn't enough of a difference from the standard car to justify its price, I can't see them passing the opportunity on this one though based on everything we've heard/seen