LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

i read on another italian forum that the next laferrari will be inspired by the 2023 LMH hypercar. code name f255 but according to motorsport italia "f255" is code of the LMH. it will have v12 hybrid and around 1200 hp (according to source), contrary the LMH will use v6 hybrid and will utilize prototype based design not derived from any road going ferraris.

 

Ferrari have said that the LMH racer won't have anything to do with any road car.

 

thanks for the reply

 

that doesn't mean that some ferraris can't borrow design cues from the LMH...

 

Nothing could be easier

 

Ferrari need to make this replacement as light as possible. The LaFerrari was a porker, way too ****in' heavy.
They should have a similar approach to Gordon Murray's T50.

 

You sound like a broken record...

 

Calling LaF "a porker" seems exaggerated to me

 

Have you driven the LaF?


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Absolutely, the two cars are totally different !

 

What's the state of development regarding LaF replacement? Have they signed off the design?

 

I don’t think that’s necessarily the way forward for ferrari …

 

and there we go, the first deliveries are happening:

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/aston-martin-completes-first-customer-example-of-the-valkyrie-hypercar/

 

Why wouldn't it be ?!

 

It's not exaggerated one bit. It weighs close to 1600 kg, it's way too heavy.
Ferrari have had a very bad trend with their HALO cars, they keep getting heavier and heavier.
The F40 weighs around 1250 kg, the F50 1350 kg, the Enzo 1480 kg, the Laferrari 1590 kg.
Instead of making them lighter, they keep making them heavier.

Gordon Murray's company has nowhere near the resources and money Ferrari have, yet he can build a car that is lighter by at least 500 kg. Ferrari should be ashamed of themselves.

 

No, but what relevance does that have ?! I'm sure a F50 for example has a much nicer driver feedback due to being way lighter.

 

Why would it be? If you said Valkyrie, perhaps you 'd be right; but not T50.

Too heavy by whose standards? The LaFerrari performs and feels amazing; way better than its lighter predecessors!!!

Blah blah... That car is jsut rudimentary and is not going for absolute performance.

How can you be sure? By all acounts the LaFerrari is much nicer to drive.


Weight is just a metric. It's not THE metric.

 

The Valkyrie looks better and has a better engine, but at the same time it has extra weight due to that stupid electric engine and does not have a central driving position.

By my standards. They should have made it 500 kg lighter and with twice the downforce. And none of that stupid electric stuff.

It should have had a bigger displacement, far more downforce and better looks, but I love it for being rudimentary. I don't want any electronics, no ABS, ESP, slip diff, traction control, none of that stuff.

Cause it's newer and has way more HP, but it doesn't sound as good and it probably doesn't give you the same feedback due to all the stupid electronics.

It's one of the most important, if not the most important one to me.

 

I respect Bravo’s opinion but the sad reality is a car being lighter isn’t a selling point to a lot of people and I can understand why manufacturers don’t want to cater to this small audience.

personally I think the lighter the car the better it generally is to drive. I’ve spent £20k reducing a cars weight by 150kg and enjoyed the process and results.

It’s a valid point that some manufacturers have shown that it’s still possible (but expensive) to do this in the modern environment.

 

Have you ever tries a central driving position on a road? It's idiotic!

Who cares about your standards?

Have you driven such a thing?

Doesn't sound that good? The F50 sounds tame compared to the LaFerrari in stock form.

Do you speak as an engineer, or what? Today's F1 cars are teh heaviest ever and the fastest ever also!

 

It has relevance. I have driven all of Ferrari’s hypercars starting from the 288. They are all amazing creations and you can certainly feel the brand reaching a new level with every car. The F50 has lots of feedback and a very pure, raw feel, but 99% of owners would drive their LaF more frequently because it is just a nicer thing to drive.

Porsche did the same thing with the Carrera GT and 918. I have also driven both and owned a Carrera GT which is a razor sharp, exciting machine, but on a sunny Sunday driving to the countryside to have lunch with my friends I would always take the 918. Which despite weighing over 1700kg doesn’t feel heavy to drive.

I suggest you try before you pass judgement. The outcome may surprise you.


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Why should Ferrari be ashamed of themselves? They have the best brand in the world and they are a successful public company making a premium product that millions of people aspire to own. Compared to other brands that tried and failed like McLaren and Aston, they are infinitely more successful. You cannot do this unless your product strategy is perfect.
Their objective is not to make the lightest car. Incidentally if that is what you like you should try a Caterham (which I also owned and loved). It is also not to make the most technologically advanced car. It is to make the car that everyone dreams of and they are doing pretty well at it.

Keep in mind that all great brands focus on client satisfaction more than technological advancement. Rolex is the greatest watch brand and none of their watches represent a great horological achievement. I don’t see them being “ashamed of themselves”; on the contrary they can’t produce watches fast enough!

I understand your desire to see lighter cars. I do too…There will always be a group of buyers who admire the lightest, most technologically advanced thing out there. My argument is that such a group is not large enough to sustain a great brand. It can only do it for a niche manufacturer only and that is not Ferrari.


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Ok as much as I don't like the adjective used I share your idea. Over the years the "special" cars have had a considerable increase in weight.

For me this weight increase has happened for several reasons one of them may be the increase in power requiring better and heavier control systems.
consider that some Ferrari users buy the ventura to show it off. others want to feel like pilots even if they do not have the driving skills to bring certain powers (including myself so no one is offended).

In any case I also claim the need in the Ferrari range of a car such as the T.50, the Valkyrie or the Dallara Stradale.
A car for real drivers, a car for "persone con 2 coglioni giganti". (I'm sorry, I don't know how to translate this typically Italian lexicon).

For me it would be fantastic if Ferrai presented a model in style Valkyrie or derived from LMH. However, hearing the rumors will not happen.

This makes me very sorry considering the expiration date of the heat engines

 

I drive my F50 regularly and have driven LaFs before … I prefer the F50 not because it’s lighter at all , but because it’s more analogue and raw- you seem to miss the point , lighter doesn’t mean better or more fun .

 

Well said ! +100