430 Driver door window not dropping when opening

Might be a long shot, but check your door jam switch to make sure it’s in place and intact.

 

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/pre-door-opening-window-drop-issue.464813/

Check out this thread.

 

According to the wiring diagrams, the door pillar microswitch has no input into the Window Control Unit (only the Alarm Unit and the red lights on the doors).

My notes say that the door latch switch is responsible for dash warning and window drop. It's part of motorised locking actuator.

You might want to pull the door connector off and check for continuity between pin 14 and 15 (with the door open). This is the output of the latch switch.

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Then manually activate the latch (with the door open) to see if there is an open circuit.

 

Good point. Missed that on the first read of your message. May need a re-think.

Can you consistently reproduce that door open/window switch behaviour? Or is it more like an intermittent problem triggered by the vibration of a closing/opening door?

 

Sounds like this will be tough to diagnose. If it is a mechanical issue, why does it stop working after one cycle of door closing. If it is a switch issue, why does it work sometimes and not others. If it's an ECU logic issue, could it be because of an internal ECU fault or could it be due to exernal inputs causing conflict with the logic?

Does your window up/down switch work normally with the door closed? Is it showing any kind of reluctance to drop with the door closed? Try dropping the window a few times.

 

Now I'm not so sure about my notes. There may be a combination of switches related to automatic window control. The manual specifically says the inner door handle will drop the windows (and if the door is not opened (unlatched), the window will rise after 15 seconds). That seems to be saying both the handle and latch is involved in window control. On top of that, according to the wiring diagrams, the external doorlock (barrel switches) are in parallel, electrically, with the inner door handle.

Could it be that one of these switches is perpetually activated and has triggered the 15 second logic?

Could you try cycling the external doorlock with the key a few times?

 

There are 2 micro switches in the door internals u might want to check. Need to pull the door card to get to them

 

There are actually 7 switches in the door on the standard 430 (and 6 on the Scud). Also, the lock barrel switch has multiple contacts. You really need a wiring diagram to figure out what is what.

I don't have a diagram for the standard F430, but it should be the same as the later model 360's:

https://www.dropbox.com/t/T0LWdJPwEiOD2GeL

Rather than pull the door to pieces, checking switch operation at the pins on the door plug may be easier.

The window position microswitch "7M" appears to be working. That's the one which stops window movement at 2cm down.

 

I had a similar issue on my last CS. Tech found a broken wire in the harness that was in the door. Not sure what pins needed at be checked but if you have the wiring diagram, it may show it.

 

If you do need to pull the door to pieces, this is my favourite video:

The "knows where to stop" microswitch is the "7M" switch I mentioned earlier. I recall it's mounted on the window runners.

So, in summary, the system doesn't seem to be getting the "when to drop" signal with the door closed (except for the one time after resetting the system with the door open) or something is interfering with that "when to drop" signal with the door closed (latched). e.g. the doorlocking system should interfere with the window drop system, but, obviously, if the doorlock system was activated, you wouldn't be able to open the door.

By the way, with the driver's door open, if you manipulate the latch (mechanically) to simulate a door latched closed signal, does the window still go down to its gapped position (if you activate the window down switch a little)

 

I know i am late to party ..but have tried a simple reboot ..disconnect battery and reconnect over night

I have seen a number things get fixed on the f430 BMWs etc with that

The reason I mention bmw is because you be surprised how much is similar

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I would screen print them and then clear them

Just you have a history of them

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I'm in the same boat. My garage is too narrow to open the door fully to access that door plug on the door hinge.

Interesting. In the meantime, I'll try to come up with some new theories. By the way, the armrest door open switch "output" will be easy to check at the door plug near the hinge. There is only one screw holding that plug on.

 

I see the window ECU is hooked up to the OBD2 port. I'm wondering if official Ferrari tools can diagnose this issue?

How hard is the ECU to get to? If the ECU plugs are accessible, you may be able to check the state of various microswitches without pulling the door to pieces. The wiring diagrams list the function of each pin (at least for the Scud).

 

Doesn't look so easy:

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