as I mentioned earlier I like the name 'Le Mans' but Icona2 will probably have a stronger Italian connection again for it's name?
Since it’s based on the P4 and built on the LaF platform, LaP4? Luckily—with LdM gone—no chance of that happening, ha-ha. Looking at the camo’d car, I expect there will be quite a bit of the LaF bones and aero philosophy showing through (what @isot defined as “involucro”, or design envelope) the expected P4-inspired surface. For instance, the front fenders look to be similarly outrigged from the A-pillar, as on the LaF. The mystery remains how they mash these two shapes together: Image Unavailable, Please Login
The car is based on the LF aperta, so the chassis is with non roof-structural parts. They’ve probably changed the arch behind the windshield to reach the same shape from the P4 one...otherwise it will look like the F50, with the glass triangle
The 330 P4 is the Ferrari with the most beautiful curves, especially at the front fenders. They can never achieve that with the new vehicle. I hope (and think) the design of the 2nd Icona is not too retro inspired. Look at the new Countach, in my optinion not a masterpiece: Mitja Borkert and the Lamborghini Design Team fell into the "retro trap" and Marcello Gandini “destroyed“ them with his press statement... Very strange that they are proud of this project after this statement. The end of design is to do always the same and not to try to create something different.
I think that might be a good thing, otherwise people will immediately say Ferrari copied DeTomaso and their P72. Image Unavailable, Please Login I'm sure Manzoni knew he and his team had to come up with something different. Just a few more days, now...
This proves that there is such a thing as “too round”, LOL! The Monza SPs, for example, had the perfect mix of well controlled convex surfaces and some sharp edges and rounded corners to add muscle and tension in the surfaces. Also because a squarer shape is more space efficient, I expect the “P4” Icona to be similar in surfacing to the 296 but with maybe boxier front fenders, like the LaF it’s based on.
Very well said! I´ve seen one of the clay models of the Monza SP1 from the Centro Stile at a design-exhibition in 2019 and I was overwhelmed!
It could look like that. It's a shame they're now throwing these coats over the prototypes and trying to stop people like Ingegnere (who has a very good eye) from drawing the final deal for us exactly (without any speculations). Or did they design these winter coats because of Ingegnere?
LOL, true. It used to be like a light wind breaker but now it’s like a padded (imbuttito) coat that’s making it very hard to guess what’s underneath. BTW, it can’t be very good having that thick foam padding all over the car to get valid test data, especially for noise and because of the wind noise, buffeting and flapping created by the camo. I propose they do away with all camo!
The detomaso wanted to reinterpret those sixties curves but to my eyes it ended up looking like a: what can i say... somewhat comical doppelganger of the original thing ¿?
With the reveal date fast approaching here are a couple more (very) rough sketches—done over lunch —putting together the info gleaned from the camo cars and input from some of the posters here. My thoughts on how the LaF will be adapted to this new P4 Icona: Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Very clean shape (has a bit of the 296 GTB in it). I also think the front is flatened (as you have drawn it). The side view is the big mysterium... well let´s wait and see!
Thank you for sharing this great sketch. Somehow, the shape of the wing does not seem right to me (both in this and your previous drawing). To me it does not seem very Ferrari.
I agree, no idea if there’s a wing and what it will look like but there seems to be something protruding above the rear quarters. Maybe two small winglets each side like FXX K (?). Maybe nothing.
I agree about it looking like the 296. The thought occurred to me as I was drawing it. Based on the fact Ferrari rarely carry the same design features to different cars, probably the Icona will be very different from the 296. The Icona LaF mules had the rear quarter intakes relatively low and using a modified LaF intake so maybe as drawn the intake is too high. But then, it wouldn’t look like a 330 P4, right.
Given that these will be part LaF do you think that this may affect the value of LaF with some owners putting their cars on the market to buy the new car? May the Horse be with you
Good take on rendering the P3 Icona. I think ferrari will use a similar headlight to the monza sp1/sp2 based on the spy shots. Anyway I can't wait for it to be released
I think the whole back half of the body is raised up but with a more aggressive wing than the show car P80C received. The P4 had a low front end with a rounded cabin and a raised rear deck. The Icona2 caters to that theme. Why else stick those elevated mirrors on the front fenders? The earlier prototype had mirrors sticking out on very long horizontal posts from farther back on the body. They need elevation or distance to see over that massive rear quarter. The rear spoiler is more of a tray. Bigger than on these views of the show car aero spoiler package > Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login I believe these Icona2 cars are many months away because they will be built after both versions of the 812C are built. Also the motor supply issue. They will use the same V12 motor in a similar spec currently going into the 812C cars. We need to see a drawing of the rear view with big round tail lights! Image Unavailable, Please Login
As Ingegnere already showed in his first drawing, a similar detail solution is to be expected on the bonnet. For the rest I also expect something similar to what you describe. And this beautiful P80/C deserved to be a car in the Icona range...