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Discussion in 'F1' started by jgonzalesm6, Nov 15, 2021.

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  1. absostone

    absostone F1 World Champ
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  2. trumpet77

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    New Stewards just announced, Mark Webber, Alex Albon, David Coulthard, :D
     
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  3. johnireland

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    My dream finish would be a Ferrari gets a win, Max is second, Lewis is 4th. Just hopping. For qualifying, Perez, Max, Bottas a Ferrari, and Lewis. Just dreaming.
     
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  4. Mitch Alsup

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    Maybe they should give WCC points for not consuming so many "motors"--that is give Haas and Alfa Romero 10 WCC points each {in case they can't get an agreement that the current penalty structure is too little.}
     
  5. crinoid

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    Pirro such a DB.
     
  6. trumpet77

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    Three races to go, 2 new tracks, a close battle for driver and constructor....just gonna enjoy it.
     
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  7. AbarthDave1

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    Mick's Hass just came in 20 stone too heavy.
     
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  9. trumpet77

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    "Unlike the 2020 Austria case, in the judgement of the Stewards, there is nothing in the Footage that fundamentally changes the facts. Nor even, does this show anything that wasn't considered by the Stewards at the time. Thus, the Stewards determine that the Footage, here, is not "Significant."

    Conclusion

    The Stewards find, in their sole discretion, that:

    - With the reservations raised above, the decision is subject to the Right of Review;
    - That the Footage is New;
    - That the Footage was Unavailable to the Competitor at the time of the decision subject to the petition for review;
    - That the Footage is Relevant; but
    - That the Footage is not Significant;
    - The four key points required under Art. 14.1.1 are not met and the Stewards, therefore, deny the Competitor’s Right of Review.

    Competitors are reminded that, in accordance with Art. 14.3 of the ISC, this decision is not subject to
    appeal."
     
  10. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-no-score-marks-on-f1-rear-wing/6799113/

    Mercedes: No score marks on F1 rear wing

    By: Jonathan Noble
    Nov 19, 2021, 11:14 AM
    Mercedes says it does not understand Red Bull's claims that score marks on its Formula 1 rear wing endplates point to potential flexible bodywork tricks.
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    With the intensity of the F1 title battle between the top two teams ramping up with three races remaining, Red Bull is placing a growing focus on the behaviour of its rival's rear wing.

    Red Bull team boss Christian Horner made it clear in Qatar on Friday that he felt Mercedes could be breaking the rules with its design – and would be ready to protest it in the final events.

    In a tense exchange with Mercedes boss Toto Wolff at an official FIA press conference on Friday, Horner suggested that marks on rear wing parts pointed to some unexplained trickery.

    "When you have a 27 kilometre [per hour] difference, and you see marks on rear end plates that have been marking up from wings that have been flexing…it's very clear to us what has been going on," he said.

    But Mercedes has brushed off Horner's comments. The team says it has inspected the wings and found no such evidence of any marks.

    Head of trackside engineering Andrew Shovlin was clear that the world champion squad has asked the FIA to check on its car several times and on every occasion it has been happy.

    Asked about Horner's suggestions of score marks on the rear wing endplates, Shovlin told Sky Sports F1: "Well we've had a look at it, and there are no score marks. So we're not quite sure what that is.

    "But it seems to be a bit of a story that's not going away. From our point of view, we're absolutely happy with what we've got on the car.

    "We've invited the FIA to look at it as much as they want, and they don't have any issue with what we've got. We go to every circuit, we look at what the fastest wing we have is, and that's the one that we'll bolt to the car. And that's what we'll keep doing."

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  11. ingegnere

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    If the Merc mainplane trailing edge is, in fact, deflecting at its extremities this might explain the “failure” Wolff was using as to why they failed the gap test. The area they failed was exactly at one of the outboard extremities of the wing.

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    I could see why Merc would design the trailing edge of the mainplane to deflect. This would reduce the camber (curvature) of the wing mainplane, so downforce and induced drag. But also, since the slot gap is used to energize the flow along the back of the flap, a larger gap here would probably result in a less effective “blowing” of the flap which would lead to the flap and, as a result, the wing stalling. Even if only at the outboard ends this would probably provide a sizeable drag reduction.
     
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  12. johnireland

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    I wish RB would spend more time making their own car faster instead of complaining that Mercedes has improved their car while RB seem to not have. That isn't how you win decisive championships.
     
  13. DF1

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    Stop asking RedBull to simply drive and win. Too hard. Horner would have nothing to do and could not enjoy the spotlight lol. He has proof and has done nothing since Budapest, Turkey or even after Brazil. What proof. As Mercedes posted they have had the wing looked at numerous times, inspections etc. Horner other than his cheating driver has not seen it other than from photog's and observers.

    If they had a case they would shut up and simply protest. Be professionals rather than Social Media darlings. Too much to ask. Whining is their normal operating mode lol.
     
  14. Bas

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    I'm genuinely amazed that when Mercedes complains to the FIA about Red Bulls bendy wings or gets the safest pitstops banned because Mercedes can't get the same times, it's all fair game (in actual fact, you still managed to find a way to get angry about Red Bull/Max), but Red Bull comes at the FIA regarding merc's now bendy wing and you get angry with them, and you somehow find a way to call Max a cheat (at least, I very much assume you call Max a cheat and not Perez).
     
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  15. Mitch Alsup

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    As far as bendy wings go:: Put FIA sensors on the wings that feed FIA the deflection data every moment of the race and if the wing deflects more than allowed, the result is instant DQ and loss of points for the past 3 races............Only something this drastic will prevent cheating attempts

    My guess is that RB are exceding the front wing bending specs over curbs and when heavily loaded.
    My guess is that MB are exceeding the rear wing bending specs over some parts of the speed profile.
    My guess is that is FIA had rules validating sensors all over the car, only Haas would survive a race without being penalized/DQd..........
     

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