First 100% electric Ferrari in 2025 - confirmed

RIP Ferrari.

I am happy to say I owned them before they finished off the company. LdM started the downfall when he decided they could sell side shields, instead of reserving them for factory race cars. He literally sold the soul of the company. He was the first to make cars limited edition, and he made Ferrari more all about merchandise than cars. Yes, I know they made some great cars, but they did even better in merchandise.

The brand will be dead to me. As dead as the Rolls-Royce badged BMW's and the Bentley badged VW's.

Shame on you Ferrari executives!

 

The solar panels on their roof?

I think you're missing the point that for most folks an electric car is just a better solution than a gas powered car. Ignoring all of the pros or cons of the environmental effects, the Tesla S is just a better car than the 5-series or the E-Class.

Will an electric Ferrari be better than a gas powered one? I dunno, but it'll be awesome to see them try.

 

It's not that I want job to be "disappeared"
It's the very fact that I see and deal with the waste of the ICE car first hand..and it is not pretty at all.

You see this shiny object in your garage that you vacuum and polish and putt around in making vroom vroom sounds.

Once you bring that thing into the shop for service and actually witness all the crap that gets disposed of from ONE car during that 5 hour service..it is absolutely disgusting.

For a V12 Ferrari disposal items
12 liter engine oil
16 liters coolant
1 liter brake fluid
2 liters PS fluid
9 liters DCT fluid
1 DTC filter
1 oil filter
2 air filters
12 sparkplug
1 cabin filter

Now put 2 in the shop side by side that amount obviously doubles.

These services carry over to each and every car..no matter who builds them. Quantities will change of course.

So we have an 8 bay shop. All bays are pumping out cars and disposing of environmentally damaging fluids and components every hour of the day.

Multiply this by every dealership and every other independent shop out there and the effects become simply monumental.

Let's look at a Tesla service.

Maybe a set of tires.
1 liter brake fluid
5 liters coolant..for battery cooling
2 liters diff fluid
Software update
Washer fluid.

As you can see. It is not just about what comes out of the tail pipe. It is the entire vehical itself and the pollution just one ICE makes through out its life time is well over and above what is emitted by an electric car..including making the batteries.

 

The consumables you mention are all true and valid, well, mostly, those fluid changes have very different change frequencies, it is unusual to change all at the same time, including the spark plugs. And I'm sure the EV has cabin filters too, so that would seem to be common to both.

I believe you should disclose that the oils you mentioned, are ALL RECYCLABLE, I am 100% positive your shop is recycling otherwise the goverment would shut you down:
https://www.epa.gov/recycle/managing-reusing-and-recycling-used-oil

https://recyclenation.com/2015/06/how-to-recycle-brake-fluid/

Separately, it is too bad you are not witness to what happens to create an EV battery and the electric motors (the mining and huge energy requirements including production of packs), check it out, way more polluting than your post includes. Not to mention when it is to be retired.

With the EV you are just downstream of the majority of its pollution/contamination cycle, except for its retirement.

references:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/dec/08/the-curse-of-white-oil-electric-vehicles-dirty-secret-lithium

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/electric-vehicles-certainly-do-pollute-their-battery-packs-are-poised-to-be-one-of-the-biggest-new-sources-of-pollution-11634577011

https://interestingengineering.com/clean-evs-and-dirty-lithium-mining-business

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/17/e2017318118

wow:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2515-7620/ab5e1e
Here, energy usage is estimated for two large-scale battery cell factories using publicly available data. It is concluded that these facilities use around 50–65 kWh (180–230 MJ) of electricity per kWh of battery capacity, not including other steps of the supply chain, such as mining and processing of materials.

 

The longer the EV is on the road the more friendly it becomes. The consumption of toxic materials is constant with ICE.

The expelling of exhaust is a constant with ICE made even worse by owners removing emissions equipment.

EV is not the best...but it is far far better. The constant argument about needing coal to power the EV is getting tired and old. Eliminate everything to do with ICE production and gas stations..there will be plenty of power to go around.

As far as the use of lithium goes..yup it's bad..really bad. But that technology is already on its way out. Graphene is set to take its place. And also the use of capacitor technology. Battery tech is constantly moving forward. So that lithium argument is pretty much moot at this point also.

 

Lithium will be the predominate battery tech for at least another decade.

Graphene battery tech is no where near scalable, eventually it might be, time will tell.
https://www.electrive.com/2021/08/11/gmg-announces-break-through-in-li-ion-cell-chemistry/
https://graphenemg.com/graphene-aluminium-ion-battery-performance-data/

notice: "coin cell", not the 'pouch battery' used in EVs:
https://www.graphene-info.com/gmg-and-bosch-sign-collaboration-agreement-graphene-aluminium-ion-battery

However, even if some "x-factor" battery tech becomes a suitable lithium replacement (proven, reliable, scalable) it will be many years before it is in sufficient production volume to displace lithium, and that is if something was ready 'today', but, nothing is ready 'today', so add more time for development/proof of concepts and the significant efforts that are required to scale to massive production, time to build out factories, supply pipelines, and such.

Otherwise, your point is not how useful or dependable a vehicle is but how much 'tailpipe' emissions it produces?

You might consider that, at present, there no way an EV is suitable for anyone who does not have personal space to charge overnight, that includes a lot of persons, an EV is a useless choice for many because there is no practical way to charge. There are many downsides to an EV and that is a very significant one, and, even if you can charge at home, if it is outside and it is cold, the charge will either not take at all or be very slow.
https://electrek.co/2021/10/15/6-ways-to-get-the-best-range-from-your-electric-car-in-winter/

In many ways, an EV is a rather large step backwards, not sideways, but backwards.

 

if your shop plans on servicing EVs, careful what you wish for

https://gettotext.com/tesla-is-the-most-dangerous-danger-to-life-from-electric-shock-from-an-electric-car/

https://nextmove.de/beitrag/do-not-touch-nextmove-reveals-electric-shock-risk-in-electric-cars/

https://insideevs.com/news/541361/gruber-fire-destroys-tesla-roadsters/

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/new-tesla-fires-were-caused-by-a-flood-and-a-crash-is-that-ok-170797.html

https://www.firerescue1.com/vehicle-fire/articles/texas-ffs-rethink-training-after-deadly-tesla-crash-zGo9xcwmQpkfs8TW/

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/steering-assist-reduced-invoice-shock-3600.230536/

https://www.torquenews.com/14093/protecting-your-tesla-lightning

https://insideevs.com/news/485562/tesla-beware-coastal-cities-gruber-motors/

 

I could have a hoist fail and a car crush me. I could get a peice of clothing caught in a fan belt. I could die from carbon monoxide poisoning. There is danger in servicing any object.

Tesla and other EV's have kill switches which make the cars a paper weight when being serviced. Exact same thing as disconnecting the battery in an ICE car.

Like anything else.. use your head and take all necessary precautions and your chances of getting hurt are greatly reduced.

 

new report:

https://www.transportenvironment.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021_12_TE_e-fuels_cars_pollution.pdf

very little positive, mostly negative, expect that to disappear, probably very quickly as an idea...

 

I don’t think synthetic fuel will be mainstream probably 0.01% of the market at most Sunday and Track driving

 

It won't. Unless it becomes the current size of big oil. Not too many people would be willing to pay 40 bucks a gallon to drive an under performing car just for the sound.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/#:~:text=Even%20in%20the%20worst%20case,grams%2C%20the%20Reuters%20analysis%20showed.

Even on full coal, a Model 3 pollutes less a Corolla after about 1 year of miles.

Disparity is even greater for US Mix.

 

apologies if this has been covered:

sooo, everybody buys EV's which all have to be charged with electricity. How is all this extra electricity demand going to be produced? with 'dirty-er' (?) power stations?
especially in China and the like where coal is still king.

 

Maybe Ferrari should give Ford a call about investing in EVs when the only people who want one are mentally ill with virtue signaling and an uncurable desire to stick their head in the sand about how electricity is produced.

I can't wait for all EV Ferrari..... What will it be like to have a $250K battery and a sticky interior?

 

Expect the EV Ferrari to require constant attachment to the MOAC(Mother of All Chargers) to keep the error code gremlins at bay


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The green challenge for low volume, low use 'lifestyle' brands like Ferrari is much harder than people realize. Ferrari EV's based on today's current technology don't drive enough miles to have credible 'green' credentials.

We are not just talking of hyper car models which rarely do any miles. Almost all of them. The last time I saw a detailed and credible technical report (not funded by activists) on this "break even point" and then actual 'environmental benefit' inflection point occurs post 80,000 miles of EV driving. It looks something like this...

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Ok this chart is for Diesel vehicles but how many Ferrari's, even 30 years old have driven in excess of 80k miles? The key take aways here are that with today's technology at least twice as much CO2 is generated per new EV car produced during manufacture compared to an ICE one. Also if you factor in that around 12 Tonnes of CO2 are produced to just manufacture a new EV (today) - its the equivalent of keeping your existing car and driving it around 60,000 miles. Let that sink in..

Why? Lets look at the composition of today EV batteries a bit more;

Quote, "Sources of “Hidden” Energy to Mine and Process 500,000 Pounds per EV Battery
While there are dozens of variations, a typical EV battery weighs about 1,000 pounds and contains about 30 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of cobalt, 130 pounds of nickel, 190 pounds of graphite, 90 pounds of copper,[a] and about 400 pounds of steel, aluminum,[b] and various plastic components.[c]
The ore grades for each mineral dictate the quantities of rock that must be dug up and processed to produce minerals needed to fabricate one battery; thus:

• Lithium brines contain @ ~0.14% lithium, so that entails ~20,000 pounds of brines to yield 30 pounds of pure lithium[d]
• Cobalt @ ~0.1% ore grades means ~60,000 pounds of ore dug up per battery[e]
• Nickel @ ~1.3% grade, means ~10,000 pounds of ore[f]
• Graphite @ ~10% leads to 2,000 pounds of ore[g]
• Copper @ ~0.6% yields about 12,000 pounds of ore[h]

These five elements total ~100,000 pounds of ore to fabricate one EV battery. To properly account for all the earth moved, there’s also the overburden, the materials first dug up to get to the ore; depending on ore type and location, it averages three to seven tons of overburden removed to access each ton of ore,[i] thus ~500,000 pounds total. The exact number varies for different batteries and mines. Note that this doesn’t include large quantities of chemicals to process and refine the ores, or the mining/refining for the other 400 pounds of battery minerals used (e.g., steel, aluminum)."

So think, if you buy a new EV every 3 years, driving it on average 10,000 miles a year before you trade it, your absolutely not in any way being green. Its taken me around 20+ years to drive my 360 to around 55,000 miles - At this point its barely braking even emissions wise with an EV on CO2!

In fact the call out here is buying NEW CARS frequently is much worse for the environment - And upgrading from an existing car to an EV means you could have driving that existing car many tens of thousands of miles and been greener (assuming that EV had never been produced in the first place).

Of course things need to change we are just 'ahead' of the curve right now. In a few years time once new innovations are out the hope is things will get dramatically better but right now enjoy your ICE Ferrari without feeling guilty!

 

And don’t forget the mining of these rare earth minerals and metals is probably more polluting to the ground water and soil than gas oil or coal with more carcinogenic potential


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This as not aged well. A billion or so reasons why since LDM changed the direction of the company and enhanced the brand worldwide.

 

I am not saying what LdM did wasn't profitable. Selling out often is.

I stand by everything I said above.

Why stop with the SUV, why not make a pickup truck too if it will sell?

 

this is just the start, don't worry!

 

Yup.

An ICE Ferrari is one of the least polluting vehicles you can buy, unless it's been crashed horrendously, it'll be kept on the road. Even if crashed badly, any part that can be re-used, will.

It's unlikely a Ferrari ever needs a replacement engine, if it does it tends to be a 2nd hand one.

An EV is as you expensive in environmental cost, it'll then even out if not come out ahead of a conventional car...unless it needs a new battery, then the cost starts almost entirely over again, or the car is scrapped and another EV will need to be made.

Now a Ferrari EV...it won't get scrapped at end of use. It'll be kept alive. So when the battery dies, a new one will need to be made. The environmental cost is actually significantly higher than a normal EV.

Will done eco-mentalists. Another poorly thought out idea.

 

If I recall correctly most lithium ion batteries last about 600 full cycles before they start dying. What is the real life experience for EVs ? They have been around long enough the data should be available (or the manufacturers are keeping it secret!)


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Well, Teslas have been around for 10+ years and you don’t hear any horror stories of battery packs needing replacement or suffering significant degradation … not sure what you consider to be a cycle (like a full 0% to 100% recharge? Or just topping off every day?) … makes me wish Tesla made iPhone batteries as they seem to suffer degradation more significantly (at least for people like me who don’t upgrade every year) …


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https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/

 

People have been saying exactly this for the last 35+ years.