812 Replacement Rumors

Wow now this getting interesting for sure!!

 

My main concern with the new car is if it'll be heavier and quieter then the 812. The sound it makes is what gives Ferraris a soul. The Turbo GPF ones lack sound and therefore soul. Can't imagine a hybrid version will improve things in that regard.

 

Agreed. NA V12 hopefully lighter or it’s not for me.

 

Also very concerned about the electronic gremlins if the move is going to be from analog to digital. The SF90, Roma, and 296 have had some issues with the electronics.

 

Couldn’t agree more. I went to Italy to get ideas before I configured my 812SF.

Side by side at Villa d’Este 2019…..

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Yup.

'20 non GPF with Brooke Race Exhaust inconel X pipe/silencers. I open up the valves at 4 sec. The low end growl while driving just puts a **** eating grin on your face........



Oh and this would be nice....

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Phenomenal….

 

mate, buy an aventador then.

 

Guys, I don't come with good news...
The last large series V12 NA will be in the...Purosangue.
To date, F 167 is hybrid...
F 244 will be the first 100% electric (the truck).
Will follow the replacement of the SF 90 on the same line.
Putting a V 12 NA in a truck rather than in a model carrying Ferrari DNA, strategically, that says a lot....So sad, but that's the way it is.

 

This is not really a good news. I don’t use so much my 812SF (3500 miles in 1,5 years) but I think it is the case to keep it .

 

sorry for my ignorance, is the "truck" the same thing as the Purosangue?

 

If I am correctly understanding , the F244 will be the first 'all electric Ferrari' (i.e. a future vehicle)

apparently F244 will be an SUV (truck) that will replace the Purosangue...

 

apparently im out of the loop. while i knew electrification was inevitable was hoping (assumed) it would be along the lines of the Rimac, etc. Not a truck...

 

I imagine the SF90 replacement will be the "all electric car" vis-a-vis the Rimac/et.al. and the 'truck' will simply be ready first, which makes sense because current battery tech is going to make that vehicle quite heavy, like the Rimac (over 4700 pounds), by waiting, maybe, just maybe, lighter battery tech will become available...anyway, that's what I imagine may be happening, plus getting an all-electric car 'just right' would be made easier by 'practicing' first on a truck

 

because of the weight issue, in my opinion, the way forward is hybrid (until batteries are lighter). in fact, im all for hybridization as it makes a very fast car (see current F1 and LMP1 cars). will be keeping my 812; maybe adding the aventador replacement? we'll see what mclaren comes out with (would prefer at least a V8 hybrid; not excited about V6)

 

McLaren apparenty has already shown V6 is their hybrid path...and not V8s...
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/02/this-plug-in-hybrid-is-mclarens-new-supercar-called-the-artura/

Apparently the 812SF successor will be V12-hybrid...I imagine that will mean a smaller V12 and that will probably be true for the Aventador replacement too...

 

So no longer a NA V12 option for F167, only hybrid?
Are the controls in the F167 haptic?

 

At this time, hybridization, yes, even if light compared to other models.
For orders, not defined because many unhappy SF 90 customers.

 

Absolutly

 

Thank you!

 

It s a full electric version of the Purosangue

 

Woohoo. Smaller V12 & hybrid is what I wanted.

 

No more questions please

 

unhappy about what?

 

Thank you for the update, even if not nice to read.
When you say light hybridization, do you think it would rather be like « mild hybrids » (that have become almost mainstream on all bmw, audi etc. and can be compared with an electrical boost) or rather « phev - plug-in hybrids » (where the car can run on electrical power only)?
About the power delivery and engine character, do you have any view whether keeping NA progressiveness would be a development objective, or would electrical power instead make the power delivery more turbo-like?