Ray, have it ever accured to you that it's you that suck, and not the car? [emoji14] Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
What can I say, I like to help and be supportive It's Christmas,,, sharing is caring and all that Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Absolutely beautiful! And nice work on the garage as well You must either have a lot of patience or some way of blackmailing your local DMV to get those plates!! Cheers!
I understand (with some difficulty I have to admit ) there is some old-shool charm in the 458 due to its NA engine. However compared to the 488 (it's more blatant on track, but still very noticeable on the road) it desperately lacks power. So keep the 488, and if you want to enjoy some real old shool charm, add a gated V12... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
You would easily forget your 488 (awesome car that it is), once you get a 458. All your 458 points above are valid and don't forget the Michael Schumacher, helped w/ the steering wheel layout, hence all the controls on the wheel like an F1 car. You will not feel or miss a split second less of performance and bathe in the instantaneous throttle response, exhaust note and and drooling over that huge engine. If you also notice, the 458s are skyrocketing, for the reasons we stated w/ no end in sight! I bought mine back in March '20 and it's now worth an easy $80k more, since it's still under the 10k on the clock mark @ 7k. Last time this monster will ever be seen...... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Having done at least 30+ days on track in my 458 I have learned more about the car in those 30 days than I ever could in 10 years of ownership just putzing around town and going to cars and coffee on weekends. I’ve experienced the good and bad in the car and nothing quite like the track will reveal a cars weakness. The 458 is splendid on the track, and while I am driving the car at 9/10, I would certainly enjoy the 488 more with its extra 100hp and about 200 ft lb torque, which would be extremely noticeable on track. On the street the 458 is probably more fun to drive, but on track, I’ll take a 488 any day. The sound is a factor on the street, but not the track. With a helmet on you can barely hear the exhaust note properly anyways, and the 911 GT3RS in front of you will be piping louder into your cockpit with the windows open on track than your own car anyways. While people may say a 1:34 on track in a 488 vs a 1:37 on track in a 458 isnt enough of a difference in speed to justify a 488, and while none of us are racing in Lemans here, that 2-3 second difference on track when you are pushing hard and enjoying the extra 200 ft lb torque as you accelerate out of a hairpin turn at the limit of traction…yeah…it’s noticeable and fun. The advancements in brake cooling alone are worth the upgrade to a 488 if you track regularly. If 488 values keep dropping and 458 values keep climbing to the point of equilibrium, I can definitely see myself swapping for a 488. Less fun on the street? Of course. But I live for the track, it is my happy place, and I know how a 488 would be able to make me just that much happier on track than my 458. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Love the pic! Congratulations! One other thing to consider is chassis flex/ shake. This will depend on your own sensitivity and also the quality of roads in your area. The 458 Spider exhibits too much of this for my comfort which is why I went with an Italia. Coming out of a coupe 488, if you are sensitive to this or have a lot of choppy roads, you might want to at least look into the coupe. Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
Spot on track wise, that's a total different animal of consideration. Tracking is an absolute blast, I was most recently at Limerock in Sept, and tracked a '21 9114S, i've also tracked other cars, even Nascar stock cars, but never the Ferrari.
I don't have anywhere near the time behind the wheel(s) of the 458 / Speciale / 488 / F8 / Pista as most here but have had the good fortune to drive all 5, including the 458 and Speciale on track at Road America as well as a variety of GT3's and RS's extensively...the 458 sounds heroic compared to the 488 / F8 but the chassis felt relatively soft with less tactile steering and noticeably less power compared to its successors even for spirited street driving. The 458 is a timeless design but I would choose a 488 / F8 for driving enjoyment (disregarding $, value, etc) unless you're talking about a Speciale...
I have to disagree on one point. The argument about the ever increasing cost of 458 ? So what there are better things to invest in to actually make money. Not cars and certainly not a 458. If you are so so passionate of the 458 good on ya but you will sell it for the right price ? And what next ? Your point is moot. Also I find a more emotional feeling with a car that I bought brand new. Like a new born. Never consider buying second hand no matter the deal.
When I bought my Pista, I was faced with the opportunity to (and assumed that I would) trade in my 488 GTB. Hell, no! Stepped out of the Pista test drive and took one look at the 488. Just could not bring myself to do it - and, not that I wanted to. 21,000 miles now and still amazes. As a public roads car, it stands alone as the best-sorted of my 3 Ferraris, which include the Pista and an 812 Superfast (as well as the many Porsches I have owned).
Missing the point, this isn't a thread about investment opportunities and which one is best (certainly not cars), but a direct comparison between a 488 and 458. As far as your second hand comment, I totally disagree w/ you, but to each his own...
I think the 488 GTB was a good evolution of the 458, except for the unsightly two front vertical aero canards on the front grill and the turbo. I’m also not a fan of the 458 front grill with the two flexible wings, i love the look of the challenge car that has it removed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
To (roughly) quote many other here: if you own a 458, you'll say it's the clear choice; if you own a 488, ditto. My view: biggest issue with the 488 was low end responsiveness and exhaust note. I fixed both with aftermarket upgrades and could never see myself trading down in HP or tech. It was all worth it when the chief mechanic at my dealer said "this is the fastest and best sounding 488 I've ever seen". Haven't stop grinning yet
Fantastic and interesting. Could you please share what you did, especially the exhaust system. One of the 'gripes' with my 488 is the exhaust note!
I have a 458, and if the price was right, I would definitely upgrade to a 488. No question for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Maybe just go drive one and get it ouf of your system. Then you know whether it's for you or not. We can all agree to disagree here, but that doesn't really help you much. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
