Long term what do you think will be the better investment: 458 spider or F12?

I adore my F12. Prices are climbing . . . . Susan

 

Buy an FF or a GTC4 Lusso and you can take your wife and your 6 year-old with you and use it as a daily driver.

My kids are in their late 20's. They always like the new shiny stuff.

 

Gas engines will be grandfathered and the everyday cars will fade away as the collectables gain even more value!!!!

 

Lol... I actually paid $90k for mine!! But, it's the best-sounding V8 Ferrari ever made. And it has a manual transmission.

It might be worth going on Hagerty and seeing how the prices of Ferrari's V12 and V8 models have fared over the years. But it's very hard to predict what will be trendy/fashionable 40 years from now. The American economy, on the other hand, has always been a safe bet. 40 years ago, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was $971; now, it's over $36,000. I hope that you have other investments to pass on to your children, not just a car!

 

I'll go in a different direction! All Ferraris depreciate like any car, similar percentage, but dollar wise WAY more. Yes, there are a VERY FEW that do not depreciate, but they are often terrible to drive. I own two, a GTC4Lusso and a Taylor Made Portofino. The question is, will you drive it or simply worship it? If you will drive it, will you drive in all including bad weather? If the answer to that is yes then get the F12. The soundtrack of the V12 is like an old style F1 car at rpm! If you will only drive in nice weather with the top down then the 458 spider. Great sound track but nothing like a modern V12. I got my first Ferrari in 2010, a California, and within 1.5 years had put 32,000 miles on it. I traded up to a 2012 Cali, then bought an FF. Since then I've traded both cars up to a Cali T and another FF, followed now by the Lusso and the Portofino.

And, I live in NW Ohio so both cars have SottoZero snow & ice tires for the winter, as all my previous Ferraris have had, so I don't have to drive something else. There is video in YouTube of me in a FF in fresh 6" snowfall. These cars are meant to be driven.

Don't listen to the few that have said gasoline is going away. There is not nearly enough electric grid production for every car to go electric, and not enough gas, coal, oil, wind, and sun to generate all that electricity.

Rick

 

Any time I buy a new car and say I'll have it forever, I'm looking for something else a month later! That being said, it's much easier to buy a car than sell it because all cars have some type of story attached to them. If you're buying the car to drive and enjoy, take any investment conversation off the table as cars that have been used will never compete financially with cars that are garage queens with little or no miles. Personally, most of the newer Ferrari's all look the same to me. My newest F Car now is a 2005 360 Spyder. I still have 4 Dino's which I may never sell including a 206, L series and C&F's car. I recently sold a fantastic 79 308GTS and a 69 365GTC which was terrific. If you think you want to own something that might have a chance of appreciating, you'll need to buy something that you might not be able to drive as much. And it may have to be older.( Although I still think 599's are gorgeous, especially the HGTE's). Certainly not something you're going to take the family out to dinner in. I've been fortunate with cars but my driving force has always been to buy cars that affect me emotionally, that I can't stop thinking about. For some it's a performance thing, to me it's much more aesthetic. I thought I was going to order a new 296GT and went to the grand unveiling at my local dealer a month or so ago. Ended up buying a 2022 Aston Martin DBS instead. It probably won't end up being a great financial decision, but when I can't sleep at night thinking about it, I know I have to own it!! Just my two cents.

 

No offense, but electric only will not be the future for any enthusiast. Without sound and vibration and a grid to support all of the coal generated electricity, the future cannot be all electric. The whole world doesn't fall for the "clean energy" nonsense.

 

I had a 458 . Nothing but expensive repairs . They made a lot of them . And they don’t honor the warranty at ferrari .
Neither ferrari is a good investment . You should try testing it out . The buttons are sticky . There is no logic in the buttons use either, electronics suck . Very complicated and useless interface .
Ferrari is a public company making an SUV soon . So the legend of Enzo is over . I’d rather own a Honda or a Porsche , at least it’s not a 2000 dollars oil change ! Here is photos of my 458 w less than 5000 miles

 

I am a v12 guy. The 458 is a great car and honestly would love to have both. You need a drop top but the f12 is just amazing. As far as values in the future I think both will hold up very well.

 

Finally a reference to the utility of a spider vs a coupe, but importantly, the 458 (and 488) are retractable hard tops. As such, both safer and more versatile relative to former rag tops. My favorite mode is actually with top up and rear window fully down - as sounds/feels like you are outside without the wind whip (and yes I do drive fully top down too, just at lower speeds). IMO, neither of these cars are likely “collectible” (i.e. not numbered or limited), so this is more a matter of their relative value (vs. new or used S/Es) as DRIVERS, where you can worry less about depreciation (which I do, with my 458SA, more than my wife needs to in her 488S). If you can get to that point, it is more like selecting the proper golf club - Will you be taking long trips with a passenger and/or luggage, then the GT is clearly the way to go. Shorter trips, tighter turns, stop & go, an occasional track day, get the 458 S. You already seem excited about the brand - put your butt in a seat and start to enjoy the lifestyle (i.e. tours & events) that comes with ownership.

 

Very strange story, all Ferrari's have now free maintenance for 7 years, so you don't have to pay for oil change at all. Which moron is going to pay 2000$ for that?

 

ferrari is known for the most glorious 12 cylinder engines in history and they will soon be extinct. Ill never give up my Flat12! A 599 or F12 is my next car

 

There have been many good, though differing responses. Like TwoSherpaz said: buy the one you like best and will drive the most. I have three front engine 12s, including the F12 and a tdf but drive my 458 Spider the most. However, for any long trips it’s always a front 12; totally different animals. Mid engine spiders may be an easier sell to first time buyers but probably none will appreciate enough to make any difference in purchase price.

 

I’d agree with others in here and get what you want in driving style. If looking for a more comfortable but less agile car do the F12. If looking for a more agile car but is less comfortable get the 458.

I think the 458 will be the better store of value as cars that were on every kids walls eventually become the big dollar cars 20-30 years later when those kids who had these cars on their walls have money. I’d bet the 458 was on 5-10x more posters than the F12. I know this rationale doesn’t apply to all cars but it’s served me well for the last 15 years of auto purchases when I buy what a current 30 year old dreams of owning, that “car on their wall”, and then 10 years later when people typically start to come into more money they buy that “car on the wall”. 911 was this car around 2010. Now it’s the M3. Maybe it will be the 458 in 5-10 years.


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Believe me just buy what you like. The V12 will spoil you, but I certainly don't see it going up. Too many produced of each one. Even the F12 TDF has dropped a bit. None will be in the F40, F50, 246 etc.
If you are buying hoping it will go up.... you may be disappointed. Otherwise speculate on the the BBI's, Daytona at $700,000, 246's, 250 GTE, 330 gt series 1 or series 2. and even these are not certain.
Keep us posted on what you get. I would always vote V12.
Have fun with whatever you grab.

 

If your investment time horizon is 40 years this is not the place to have appreciation nor a stable store of value. Buy it to drive it and admire what an expression of motoring artistry it is. Both cars are much more than an instrument of transportation, either will provide years of enjoyment. And your son’s interest in it will be a place for you to share your enjoyment in motor sport together. Good luck.

 

Amazing collection. I have as well among those in your list a Tdf and a Speciale. I’ve been thinking about adding a 70th F12 or Speciale A to the collection. The F12 I’m nervous about the premium from the 70th liveries and struggling to judge whether kr not a livery / Tailor Made spec can make the car a highly collectible in the long run being at the end of the day a production series car. The Speciale A beautiful car but quiete a steep premium from the 16M and Speciale Coupe so I’m thinking is the current entry point on the Speciale A reasonable and how far can it go. Perhaps you could share some thought on the long term collectibility / value of the aperta? How would you for instance compare it to the Tdf or 599GTO long term?

 

I just realized that there are probably two generations of members on here who have no idea what a pay phone is!

 

someone (can't credit because I don't recall) said that ICE car will be like horses. Once used for transportation but now are for entertainment. There will be race track and off-road courses for those relics of yesteryears.

 

Interesting perspective.

 

First of all they have made too many 458 spiders or F 12's for these to really appreciate. All you need to do is look at the Enzo era cars, one of the reasons they have gone up in value is they made few of them in relation to the new models, that's not solely why they are prized, the sound of those V-12's when there just idling is amazing among other attributes, if your looking for appreciation they are a much better bet ,but very different from the new models and probably not what your really looking for ,not too mention they might be more than what you indicate your are willing to spend. At the end of the day if you bot the 458 or F 12 for appreciation purposes its a crap shoot ,nobody knows 20 years down the line what these could be worth. I would say if you bot one with very low miles and never used it and I mean literally never put any more miles on it that would be your best bet, but that to me is no fun at all and defeats the purpose of ownership after all these cars are a blast to drive!!

 

458 Spider is/will be worth more in the future. The 458 was the last n/a mid engined Ferrari, and considered by many to be the best looking between the 488 and F8 (last mid-engined designed by Pinafarina as well). 458 prices have remained steady/rising against 488 numbers, I think this will grow with time.

812 is typically considered more desirable to the F12, so any appreciation would be a knock-on effect from rising 812 prices.

The best long term investment would be property/real estate however. 40 years in real estate would go much further then a supercar, depending on the area.

 

Always invest in stuff that is

limited in quantity and likely to get scarcer or has perceived and/or future value
Or both
But should be available to you in your lifetime or that of your heirs
Real estate fits the bill( especially waterfront) as last I checked the earth is not making anymore land and the population is exploding.
Enthusiast cars are another matter. The vagaries of perceived value and relative scarcity as well as the time required to achieve those goals make it a crapshoot
Buy what you like,drive it, enjoy it. If you don’t lose money on it- great. But the memories it’ll give you are priceless



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