Swiss Crash on Christmas Day 2021

good aim
not another tree for miles?

 

The guy hit a TREE...do you know what that means in Switzerland!?...jailtime...

The 82 year old guy driving his 512 TR into a store last week was not bad either...

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/12/ferrari-512-tr-slams-into-andorra-shopping-center-just-before-christmas/

 

Painful to view.

 

How about "it is just a car"?

Different folks with different perspectives I guess.

 

For most it’s a dream that is realized after years of hard work and achievement. So no I’m not going to allow just anyone to drive my 350k+++ Ferrari. I’ve worked too hard to see it wrapped around a tree. My Nissan Pathfinder is “just a car” and I loan it out frequently. A person’s perspective is formed from experience, common sense, and resources. So my perspective is unless your Ferrari means nothing more than your Nissan or money is a non consideration then I believe you should be very selective about who drives it and under what conditions.

 

A Toyota is "just a car"...

 

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I now have probably 150,000+ miles daily driving new Ferraris since 2010, with a fair amount of spirited driving time. I tell everyone, if you are offered a spirited drive in any modern car, ask them how many miles per year they drive the car. If it is less than 4,000, then they should pass on the spirited ride!!! Never be in one of these cars when the driver says, "Lets try this!". Just get out of the car. I've been 180 mph in my first FF but on a 10,000 ft runway during measured mile event, highly controlled. Video is on youtube of the first run. It probably took six months of daily driving my 2010 California before I felt comfortable in most situations. The first FF took another two months! With each bump in power, and technology it has taken at least a couple months of DAILY DRIVING to get comfortably in control.

 

Let's face it...over the last 20 years the rise in horsepower has increased at a much faster rate than human common sense & driving ability. My father had a 74' Dino, a 512BBi, and a Countach..The Dino was a great car as most of us know....not much power but a blast to drive....The Boxer & Countach were both powerful cars and very low tech, but they were controllable even under max acceleration..Todays cars are spectacular but too much car & not enough driving ability. All the tech in the world can't help a fool

 

Like ‘a’ little old lady from Pasadena, or ‘the’ little old lady from Pasadena? Big difference!

 

I hope the driver was insured for vehicle damage. I don't know how it works in the US, but here in the UK although your motor insurance policy covers you to drive other cars it's usually limited to third party cover only - i.e. if you hit someone else the insurers will compensate them, but will not compensate for damage to the borrowed car.

People are always getting caught out by this, as they think their own insurance policy allows them to drive any car on the same terms as they can drive their own - until they find out the hard way that it doesn't.

So if this accident had happened in the UK the driver would have had to compensate his friend for the value of the car - which would test even the best of friendships!

 

Switzerland has very strict speed limits and fines are based on your net worth!

 

truly we need a sarcasm emoji, my attempted point was that strict speed limits dont necessarily accomplish much, kinda like limiting gun access to the innocent.

 

Supercar fail checklist:
1) Cold Tyres
2) Traction Control set to Race/ESC OFF
3) Rapid and high application of gas, brake, steering lock or combination of two or more

 

4). Damp / wet road surface.

I rarely take my garden-variety 488 out in the wet, and if I do, the manettino does not leave the WET setting. It's there for a reason!

 

Is it a 458 ? hard to tell from whats left

 

Looks like a 458 Speciale to me. Can see a not-quite-mangled air intake on the hood. And racing harnesses - not sure if they were an option on the Italia, but more likely specced on the Speciale.

Shame about the car, but great that nobody was seriously injured.

 

Must have been difficult to catch the only tree in the neighbourhood.

 

Why should the driver loose his driving license? Only if he/she drove too fast, but I doubt if anyone has registered that.

 

The only beautiful Toyota, but not for people over 6 inch high (like Sean Connery, they cut the roof off to let him sit in it).

 

Looks like a Speciale to me. Front hood and side skirt wings from what I can tell are Speciale.

 

+1

It's come to the point that modern cars are so ridiculously fast now they can't be enjoyed properly, unless you're on a track. An F8 for example has so much power and is so capable, when driving on what one would consider fun roads in Europe, driving the car at 2 tenths of it's capability is over the sane limit of whichever road you're on and already firmly into license losing territory. With the wider roads in the States you can push a bit more I guess but still well inside the capabilites of the car...and lets be honest here: A car is more fun when being driven on the limit. Driving a slow car fast is far more enjoyable than a fast car slow.

Sure the modern cars are enormously impressive on acceleration so overtaking on the motorway could give a bit of pleasure, but squeeze the throttle for a few seconds and you happen to be near an (unmarked) policeman, goodbye license.

I think cars reached their true peak in the late 2000s, speed vs fun vs interaction. Some notable exceptions here and there.

And I personally blame the Nissan GTR & electric cars for a lot of this. That car was so enormously fast, manufacturers of supercars thought that it was unacceptable and began making technological exercises that blew it out of the water...and then the daft electric cars came and needed to have a selling point: Mindblowing acceleration. And again, supercar manufacturers felt the need to compete and now we are where we are. Cars with totally unusable powers unless you're really, really taking a gamble with your drivers license or indeed personal freedom.

I've said it then and I'll say it now (though it's far too late now): What supercar manufacturers really should've focused on was to make lighter cars and stick with the power figures they have. I love that Porsche has stuck with the 500HP in the GT3. Flappy paddle and manual shift offered. Fantastic. Imagine the 488 Ferrari stuck with the same power as the Speciale but just started to refine the car, much like Porsche is doing these days with their GT3. 488 with full leather at +- same weight as the Speciale, in a more formal suit. Then the Pista, 100kg lighter same story. F8, same thing again.

But I guess it's easier to sell cars with another 100hp added and spend the rest of the day in the pub.

 

Porsche is doing an amazing job!
I wish older Ferrari’s weren’t so small. I sat in a friend’s 512bbi (a childhood dream car) but damn I barely fit. I’d love a 3X8 but at 6’2” and ~230lbs...they’re too tight.

 

I could not agree more.