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Will Lewis quit & who is available to replace him ?

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  1. NeuroBeaker

    NeuroBeaker Advising Moderator Moderator

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    Without Lewis punting Verstappen into the wall at Silverstone, Max would have won it with 2nd in the last race anyway. Yes, the last race in isolation was ********, but so was the fact that Lewis went on a crass flag-waving celebration while Max was in the hospital and essentially escaped unpunished.

    Taking the 2021 season as a whole and averaging out the injustices of individual races, the better man won in the inferior car.

    All the best,
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  2. ktu

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    What are you talking about? I have accepted the reality that Max is the champion. We all saw that Masi gifted him the championship. There is no confusion about that reality in my mind. We all saw it on TV. Maybe you have me confused with some one else.
     
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    Hamilton fans refuse to understand that a season is won by way of many races ... not just a single one.

    But even in that last race, Hamilton was given a gift by the stewards in the first lap ... a gift designed, quite literally, to keep him in the lead. Hamilton still lost.
     
  4. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    You see your problem is handpicking races you want to highlight. Just like Masi handpicked cars he want to unlap. Masi is rubbing off on you. You fail to highlight Lewis winning in Russia rain and putting in work to out perform Max in the last 4 races to even up the championship. If you gonna highlight the season highlight all races. Since you say a season is won by many races, own up to it and stop imitating Masi and handpicking what races you want to highlight. Max drove better the first part of the season, but Hamilton bettered him the second part. It took Masi to intervene and hand Max a championship.
     
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  5. NeuroBeaker

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    Without Silverstone, Masi couldn't have made any difference either way.

    All the best,
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    How many of YOUR posts have been about Abu Dhabi over the past several weeks? In fact ... how many of YOUR posts have been about the LAST lap of Abu Dhabi ... instead of the gift given to Hamilton on the FIRST lap? :rolleyes:

    If it weren't for the crime at Silverstone that put Verstappen in the hospital, and the gift given to Hamilton in the first lap at Abu Dhabi ... Hamilton wouldn't even have been in contention by the last lap of the last race.

    The only one picking and choosing is you ... and the woke stewards, of course, who worked so hard to keep Hamilton in contention all year long.
     
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    Not to mention Hamilton choking and being unable to capitalize on Verstappen’s misfortune in Baku, which is rarely acknowledged.
     
  8. Terra

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    You must be joking.
     
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    It wasn’t a choke. It was an accidental, wholly-unintentional actuation of the Brake Magic switch.
     
  10. NeuroBeaker

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    Ok, we'll define it simply as an unexpected simple mistake that occurred during a moment of high expectations and pressure. But that sounds cumbersome. If only there was a concise word or phrase for that... think, Beaker, think...

    :D

    All the best,
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    And lets not forget, without Latifi, this supposed ''Fixed for Max'' scenario wouldn't exist either. Had Latifi crashed a lap earlier, all cars would've unlapped. Max still would've won. Max was lucky Latifi crashed, Red Bull made the right decision to pit for the correct tyres, and Mercedes did not.

    Case closed.
     
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    Huh? I'm not a Wass85 fan, but where in his post did he imply that he (LH) has??? ;)
     
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    Prior to the Latifi incident LH was walking away with it.....I'm trying to comprehend the relevance of Perez regarding LH (37 lap low grips) defending against MV (5 lap high grips) on the last lap?
     
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    Perez successfully defended on very worn (quali used) Soft tyres against Lewis on brand new tyres.
     
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    I can’t say Max had an inferior car. He led more laps than everyone combined. The Mercedes’ only had an advantage in the latter part of the season.

    And about Silverstone, Hamilton didn’t punt Max. Max simply chose to drive into a disappearing line, same as Monza. If Max would have moved a tad to the left, no contact. Again, he is a reactive driver, not a proactive one. If he was thinking ahead, he could have bailed the corner and at worst, came second. He chose not to do that, which means it’s on him.
     
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    You are not serious!??
     
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    I don't agree with that version.
     
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    That's what the video footage showed.

    It was a deliberate attempt to "squeeze" Hamiltion, or poor spatial awareness ( "sorry, I didn't see you" )

    Since Verstappen is probably not suffereing from peripheral vision problem like old folks like me, I think it was the former rather than the later.

    I couldn't see any excuse for the shunt at Monza; it was a typical red rag moment, for which Max is famous for, IMO.
     
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  19. william

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    Let's not forget that Hamilton and Verstappen were on equal number of points as they entered the Abu Dhabi GP.
     
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    IMO The Max v Lewis Silverstone incident will always remain a unresolvable debate due to the alligence of fans of either one of the drivers.

    Max should have looked at the bigger picture at Silverstone and backed off it's as simple as that, Lewis has had to take avoiding action on many occasions to avoid Max's diving bombing tactics, so it sure would have helped his case in what was the biggest farce of last race I ever seen.
     
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    Lewis as the overtaking driver his duty is to make the overtake cleanly and successfully. Max left more than enough space for Lewis to be there, the fact that Lewis needed more room than that is on Lewis, not Max.

    Could Max have made more room and given up the position? Yes, he could. Should he? No. We again go back to it being up to Lewis to make it cleanly.

    Had Max squeezed Lewis to less than 1 cars width, it would've been Max's fault predominantly. But that never happened.
     
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    luckily it's not up to you to agree with anything.
     
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    What does that mean? That I am not entitled to have an opinion if its doesn't coincide with yours?

    I am certainly not an outlier in having a different view in that respect.

    It's time you accept that some folks see things differently from you, and don't have to rally to your opinion.
     
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    It means that I'm happy you aren't in the stewards room, because crashing into someone to overtake would apparently be allowed.
     
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    Here again, we have different views.

    You think Hamilton crashed into Verstappen, and I see it the other way round! ;)
     
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