Will Lewis quit & who is available to replace him ?

And everyone else saw it as Lewis crashed into Max, with Lewis predominantly at fault, minus a few die hard Lewis fans (obviously).

So there we go.

 

Obvious contradiction here ! I don't mind to be in the minority.

 

100% accurate.

Verstappen was in the lead, Hamilton was alongside. Verstappen left enough room, on track, for an alongside driver. Therefore, the accident was 100% Hamilton's fault.

It's not even debatable.

 

I still don't see the relevance.
You fail to mention that P's high grip softs were only 14 laps old when L came out on the hards. Or, how much he needed to pass P when he knew P needed to pit, thus preserving said hards for the distance?
I don't know what you've participated in, but there's more to any sport then "pushing the pedal to the metal". It's called thinking...strategy.
Anyway, the preceding having nothing to do with M's new high grip softs with no traffic to contend with vs. L having worn, low grip hards, with which to "defend" (more appropriate survive) on that single,final, lap.

It all just 'don't matter, anyhow.... Abu Dhabi's just a blemish on the history of the sport of Formula One (flailing as it is...show is more appropriate nowadays). It was not a fitting finish to an otherwise (all bs calls aside) exciting season. It was shooo' different "back in the day"....

 

When the Lewis - Perez thing happened, that was lap 20 wasn't it? Add 3 more laps including a full on quali lap, that's 23 laps. On hard wearing softs.

I don't see how the distance is relevant in a 1 lap race. Lewis offered ZERO defense. None. His lap times pre-Latifi crash where fine. You're telling me they fully fell off the cliff in the 5 SC laps. Yeah I don't think so. Lewis failed to defend on tyres in decent shape.

 

Regarding the "manipulation" call from Horner to Masi.

Earlier on in the race, Toto got his wish for no Safety Car when he didn't pit, RBR pitted Max, Toto was begging Masi for no SC.

Seems both had their wish granted.

And of course the first lap incident...

All balanced out nicely I would say!



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Lewis came out behind Perez on lap 15. There was no pressing need to pass Perez. Thinking, son.....preserve the tires.....strategy..

You don't know how the distance is relevant? How long have you been a racing fan? Or, are you just a "show" watcher? ......
Ancient hards (44 laps old....3/4 of the race distance) vs. brand new softs. No traffic, one lap. Lewis was a sitting duck.....no term as befitting. ('don't know if you've ever been duck hunting; 'nothing easier than a sitting (floating) duck (Lewis) vs. a shell full of shot (Max).)

Don't give a dang who would've won had it not been like that. If Max had had to pass the lapped cars and Lewis, I woulda' thunk it was a fantastic finish to the season. The way it was....not.

Again it's history. On to this season. We can only hope for the best.

 

When Hamilton battles Alonso, Perez or Norris, nobody crashes or goes off track or get any penalties. But when he battles Max there's always either a crash, penalty or some drama. You don't really race Max, you avoid collision with him.

 

The way you wrote it in your OP...you're all over the shop.


Lewis pitted on Lap 15 but was 10 seconds behind Perez. By lap 20 he was behind Perez. Perez then held up Lewis for a full lap.

How is Lewis' need to preserve the tyre relevant on the last lap of the season? He didn't need to any more. He could easily have done anything he liked to keep Max behind.

Ps Schumacher was first to stop on lap 10 and his tyres held up very well until the SC when he swapped them. If a rookie can manage his tyres I'm sure a 7x WDC can as well, especially in a car notoriously good on tyres. Lets not pretend the tyres where absolutely ruined. Yes of course Max had an advantage...no one is disputing that.

Masi was in a lose-lose position. Don't let drivers through, manipulation! Let drivers through, manipulation!

Like i said in another post, Toto influenced Masi on the first to not have a full SC and he got his wish. If people want to believe that Horner influenced Masi to have the cars unlapped, fine by me. Tit for tat.

Merc should've pitted Lewis, purely in anticipation for a race restart (entirely possible situation given how many 1 lap races we've had in the past). They gambled not to and lost the championship. Boohoo. They've had plenty of luck gone their way and no one cared about that.

I don't think I ever had an answer from a single one of you when asked if you lot would still be crying like 5 year olds if ALL cars where unlapped. It wouldn't make an ounce of difference to the championship.

****ing get over it.

 

Yep he had 0 chance, let’s not make it like Max did something extraordinary in that race.


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If all cars were unlapped and the rules were not broken, we wouldn't have contreversy. But that did not happen. No matter how you try to twist and turn it the SC rules were broken. It gifted Max the championship. ******ing get over it.

 

You misunderstand, I have nothing to get over, I'm quite content with Max as champion and the way it happened.

If all cars passed I'm sure you guys would still moan.

Toto got his wish with no full SC after they didn't pit the first time, and Horner got his wish unlapping the cars.

Everyone happy. Roll on 2022.

 

I wasn't going to go here but what planet are you from? They apparently don't stress reading comprhension there, eh?
A) Where was I "all over the shop"?
B) Relevance? He pedaled around to 14th....last of the running.
C) Where have I ever accused Masi of manipulation? (Link me, please.) What he did do tho' was what caused this nonsense type thread.
D) What has what you said to do with me?
E) Shoulda's, woulda's, and coulda's are all fantasy. I deal with reality. I'm 70 (almost), not 7.
F) I did in my last post, sorta',....."Don't give a dang who would've won had it not been like that. If Max had had to pass the lapped cars and Lewis,
I woulda' thunk it was a fantastic finish to the season. The way it was....not.
Again it's history. On to this season. We can only hope for the best. "

No crying here, see E). And nothing to "get over."

 

NO rules were broken. ZERO. The pro-Hamilton stewards know it. The FIA officials know it. EVERYONE with a pair of functioning brain cells knows it.

SO ... who needs to "get over it"? Clearly, the Hamilton fan-boys who are still throwing temper-tantrums and hissy-fits, weeks and weeks after the 2021 season has been decided!

Verstappen WON. Hamilton LOST. Time for the fanboys to accept reality, and look forward instead of backward.

 

Youtube recommended a video from 2016 when Rosberg won the championship, and the Lewis fans are still crying that Hamilton should have won that championship and Rosberg didn't deserve it. They never get over it.

 

The FIA proved rules weren't broken. They showed that Masi has final say within the rule book. But you contradict yourself in your post. You said if ALL cars were allowed by, it would be no controversy and as Bas said, the same result plays out and Max wins. You go on to say Max was gifted the championship because rules were broken. So how was he gifted the championship when if ALL cars were let through, Max still wins?

 

You gloat about Hamilton being beaten as if it was a fair fight. It wasn't !

Masi handed Verstappen the advantage by taking away from Hamilton the "cushion" he had built and letting him fend on old tyres.

 

Was there an opportunity or opportunities for Lewis to.pit for fresher tires?? I can only count on 2 opportunities with the 1st opportunity being the most likely to pit for fresher tires. Mercedes chose to leave him out.

 

So, the smoke has now cleared a bit, and I've been able to disconnect from the controversy. This morning, I re-watched the events near the end of the race. I would like to think I'm more objective now, having dismissed the matter from my mind for weeks. Like many of you, I have followed F1 for most of my life, so I'd like to think I'm somewhat well-versed in the context.

The resounding conclusion, at least in my mind, is that this was racing at it's most typical: luck, judgment, strategy and a season to prove oneself. Hamilton and Mercedes failed on all fronts. Hamilton had every opportunity to come into the race ahead by so many points that the outcome would have been academic. Control your own destiny or someone else (like Latifi, or even Masi) will.

Moreover, the behavior of Mercedes and Toto following the race is telling indeed. According to Rudyard Kipling, you'll be a fully formed man

"If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same; "

Toto handled the Triumph quite well during the Hybrid years, don't you think? The disaster...not so much.

The right guy won. Karma is real. Sir Hamilton can now retire and go to University. He can spend a decade and get an advanced degree in Political Science and Social Justice, and use his vast wealth to change the world.

I'll take the racing, please.

 

It was a strategic choice by Mercedes, making their decision based on Hamilton's position in the race, and not on Masi deliberately orchestrating a different scenario.

Had the 5 backmarkers not been allowed to unlap themselves, I believe that Verstappen would never have caught Hamilton in the time left.

 

It's in the past. Over. Done with.

 

Strategic indeed--> understandable under the SC but not so strategic under the VSC.

39 lap old hard tires!!!! Really..... given the opportunity to pit under the VSC.

RedBull made a strategic pit stop under the SC to softs and "gambled" it.

 

But I doubt if that would have been enough for Max to catch and overtake Hamilton, had the 5 backmarkers been left between them.

 

The rules were broken. Look and read the rules. Masi has the right to break the rules. And he did. The SC rules have existed in the past, these rules were actually written. Go back and watch the races, these rules were followed. There was no time left to have all cars unlap themselves. So the race would have finished under the safety car. If Masi had let all cars unlap themselves at the beginning then you wouldn't have any contreversy. But he didn't do that. We must stick with what happened. I know you all like to play the what if game. I only look at what actually happened. And what we saw happened was Masi broke the rules and decided the championship.

 

Okay, you and others are blaming "ad nauseam" of the last lap at Abu Dhabi and Masi's RULE BOOK decision.

This whole season has been decisive for both Max and Lewis. You don't hear the Pro-Max fans saying "ad nauseam" that Max should have won the 2021 season a few GP's ago??? Max had errors and Lewis had errors. So to DEFINE the whole season for the Pro-Lewis fans on the last lap of the final race by Masi, whom was well within the rules, is far-fetched.