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Ferrari 412 / Turning Engine Over by Hand

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  1. 360modena2003

    360modena2003 Formula 3

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    Whilst removing the spark plugs, pieces from the injector lines fell into the cylinder (#10)BI can see them clearly with the endoscope.

    I have already tried to vacuum it out, but no luck.

    I am thinking of turning the engine by hand until both valves are shut, and then flooding the cylinder with water and vacuuming it all out.

    The question is: how can I turn the engine by hand, I don't see how to access from the front?

    Thanks

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  3. D.J

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    You can access the crank bolt from underneath easily enough with a thin walled 36mm socket, I had one machined down.
     
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  5. wrxmike

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    Fill it with water ? You'll end up with water in the sump.
     
  6. 360modena2003

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    I will drain the oil.

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  8. raemin

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    If you can access the underside of the car, you can turn the flywheel using a screwdriver as a lever against the teeth of the flywheel. There is a small plate (the size of two credit cards) that you have to remove in order to access the flywheel.

    If I were in your shoes, I would try first to use a magnet in order to recover the part in the cylinder. You can either buy a tool (looks like a flexible screw driver with a magnet), or you can wrap a neodyme magnet around a coper wire and "fish" your parts in the cylinder chamber. That's how I garbed the acorn nuts that had fallen in my cylinder head...

    If you still want to flood the cylinder, Instead of water, maybe you should use gas-oil?
     
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    The parts that fell inside are the plastic injector holders and some dirt that was carried in with it.

    I have managed to remove all the dirt, but the plastic bits remain.

    The advantage of water is that it will evaporate.

    Great suggestion with the flywheel, I think I wil try this next.

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    Some plastic won't float in water - I'd confirm that first with another piece of plastic in a glass of water.
    Also a flexible claw pickup tool might do the trick -

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  12. Rifledriver

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    I have retrieved many non magnetic pieces from cylinders. One is a vacuum. The nozzle needs to be a close fit to the plug hole and at least one valve needs to be open to create turbulence and air movement or the piece will just sit where it is. A high capacity vacuum is needed. Another choice is to close both valves and blow a high volume of high pressure air in there. It often eventually gets out the plug hole. For this you need a small long nozzle to reach inside the cylinder.
     
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  13. 360modena2003

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    Thank you for all the suggestions.

    I finally removed it with a tape stuck to a plastic rod.

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