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How many titles would Senna have won?

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  1. Bas

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    Disgusting take.

    Not surprised, however.
     
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  2. trumpet77

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    what sticks out to me is that most of the multiple champions came so close to winning 1 or MORE championships. Prost team-mate with Lauda, Senna team-mate with Prost being three examples where the best drivers were competing with other world champions.
     
  3. ktu

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    Welcome to Fchat
     
  4. SimCity3

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    FTFY
     
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  5. crinoid

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    You keep revealing your character. Good job.
     
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  6. ktu

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    Thanks.
     
  7. jpalmito

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    Respectfully disagree about 1989 WDC,
    Prost won it against Senna, McLaren, uncle Ron and the entire Honda armada..;)
    The Suzuka episode was just the consequence of all of this..
     
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  8. SimCity3

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    Uncle Ron disagrees with you :)
     
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  9. furoni

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    It'a very hard to know but i also think Ayrton would have won more, at least 1994, but then again, Michael was so robbed that year in order to give Damon a chance, if it was fair between Michael and Senna, i'm not sure who would have won! The rest really depends on Senna's decision about the team he was going to, could have been a hit, could have been a miss! I also believe that Prost should have won the 1990 championship, today Ayrton would have been desqualified for what he did, so Alain should have one more. Clark for sure would have won more, 2 or 3 more, he was no doubt the best and the lotus would secure him a few more titles. Of course, each driver's fate is going to alter the future, i'm convinced Gilles would have easily won the 82 championship, and would probably went on to win the 83 also.....than it depended if he stayed at Ferrari or if he moved to Williams or Mclaren....from what i read, if he left Ferrari (wich many believe after his spat with Didier), Mclaren was his most likely destiny (Ron had already tried once to get him)..can you imagine Gilles vs Prost in the 1984 car!!! Just epic! So all f.1 could have been a lot diferent, just imagine if Stirling Moss hadn't crashed, he would be racing a ferrari next year..what could have been!
     
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  10. SimCity3

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    Imagine the difference if Moss hadn't been a true sportsman !

    https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/24471861/sixty-years-ago-sportsmanship-cost-stirling-moss-world-championship
     
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  11. johnireland

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    Not sure the title of this thread makes sense. He won what he won. Then his obsession and fear of someone being faster than he was, made him stupid and he crashed, and with some bad luck, he died. Prost was better and his 4 WDCs to Senna's 3 is all the proof you need. If Lewis gets 8, then he will eclipse Michael. Etc.
     
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  12. ScreaminRevs

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    ^ By that logic Vettel > Senna. Yeah, I'll say no way.
     
  13. subirg

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    Without question Senna could have won more. Possibly many more. Had he been driving one of todays cars with their vastly superior safety systems, he would still be here today. That is such a shame but we need to recognise that through his death, Senna propagated a huge transformation in F1 safety which has saved many drivers both in F1 and every other formula. You could argue that this is, ironically, his greatest gift to the sport.

    To me he was, and will always be, a legend.
     
  14. Flavio_C

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    You either don't know what happened in Imola 1994 or you are trolling.
     
  15. johnireland

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    I was watching it live...remember all the comments about Senna not letting his tires warm enough after the safety car, about his car bottoming out because of that, and etc., etc.

    All the post accident blame game and cover up of Senna's basic driving error do not impress me. His death was a freak circumstance of the suspension part making contact with this head. But the accident was the result of his own foolishness.
     
  16. william

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    It's fair to say that Senna didn't adapt very well to his new mount in 94. Yet, it was the same Williams that allowed Prost to win his 4th title the year before,

    I don't think Senna finished any of the 3 GPs prior to Imola, and he was struggling with the car even if he took poles with it (from memory).

    So, there is no certainty that he would have been very successful with that car, like winning title(s) with it.

    Also Benetton and Schumacher were on the ascent. So, where would that have left Senna?
     
  17. Flavio_C

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    Dude, the cause of the accident was a mechanical failure!

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  18. johnireland

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    Caused by a very hard bottoming out just before the turn and the car veering off track? If the tires had been properly warmed up, the ride height would have higher, and the car would have not bottomed out, or at least not so harshly. As for the picture of the broken steering column...that looks like a rather extreme failure for just driving around. Is that part of the alibi exhibit from the "Senna is god, we must blame someone else" cover up of Senna's bad judgement? Dude.
     
  19. william

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    The Italian enquiry concluded that Senna's accident had been caused by the steering column failure.

    Senna had requested a modification to his steering ( lengthning, I believe), and it's a faulty machining on the column that broke as he was entering Tarambulo.

    He basically was left with no steering as he entered the high speed curve, and couldn't avoid leaving the track. .
     
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  20. I watched also, and yes, that was their conjecture at the time. A logical assumption, as there was no way they could know about the column failure.

    william - Yes, Ayrton on pole, Michael second.
     
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  21. johnireland

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    Or did the steering column break as a result of the crash? You won't convince me that there wasn't a mad rush to find anything to blame but Senna's bad judgement. "God" never makes mistakes.
     
  22. johnireland

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    As I said, there was "conjecture" before the crash that he was pushing on cold tires. And what exact stress caused the column failure? Normal driving...or the crash? Which makes more sense?
     
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  24. Flavio_C

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    Geezus Christ! With all due respect, what a ton of tosh!
     
  25. I disliked Senna, but.....
    A) Conjecture is just that.....an opinion with no evidence. I'm not accusing the announcers of anything, how could they know?
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    even thought it was a quite rational thought at the moment.
    Exactly how did/do you know?

    B) I realized I hadn't a real clue. Thus, I accepted that I didn't, and made no assumptions thereafter.

    Why didn't the inquiry find it to be Senna's fault, as according to you, it was his being "stupid"?
    What was their motive for finding the way they did? 'Guaranteed, unlike your belief about Senna's "stupidity", he had more money than the Williams team, so what was their motive for the finding? Senna wasn't Italian, the FIA's not Italian.......more money to be had for someone suing Senna's "stupid" empire or FIA than Team Williams (whatever it's legal name). :cool:
     

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