Michael Masi gets fired/replaced?

If one sees backmarlers as obstacle to the leaders progression in a race, it's indeed quite unfair that some have to overtake them, but others not !

So, the leader can be penalised twice by a safety car period:

- the time lead he may have built is taken away from him,
- then his followers see the cars he had to overtake also taken away from their path.

We have to do better than that !

On most circuits, I see no need at all for a full course yellow or a safety car period in case of accident; just a neutralisation of the zone concerned with an enforced speed limit and no overtaking allowed would be enough to clear the track.

 

But it's been like this since god knows how long. What do you propose? Simply saying "we have to do better than that" isn't helpful.

We can't run on aggregate. It's ridiculously confusing.

The VSC has been the best solution so far as it's interferes the least with the race, but we still have the same problem: When a VSC is more than often enough a solution, we get a full SC only to bunch the field up.

Each situation is a little different and we can't have a hard and vast rule when a VSC, when an SC. It's luck of the draw.

I also don't think it's fair when a race is red flagged that cars over a lap down are suddenly on the lead lap again. But that happens as well.

 

I honestly don't care for stand up comedians, live tv and the news, or footballers even. 99% are clueless simpletons jumping on a bandwagon.

Listen to the Merc radio. The moment they drove past the pit they realized their error in not pitting.

This you? >

 

Why not ? Who say it's confusing?

Some races were run as 2 heats with aggregated times before, and the public understood it.

I remember watching Group 7 races (do you remember them?), and Interserie races run with that system.

Now, if you want to speak about confusion, how do you explain that the Pole Position winner on Friday may not be on Pole on Sunday ?

 

fans and teams alike hated aggregate times. That's why shortly after it was implemented in 2005, it was dropped. It was dropped for similar reasons in 1994.

There's a reason why Group 7 and interseries doesn't exist anymore. Lack of popularity.

As for your final point...I presume that this is about sprint quali? I've been vocally against them since day 1.

 

Simple solution: freeze the lap counter until SC is withdrawn.

And allow splash & dash refueling

 

Fact of the matter is that someone always wins and another loses with SC. I just find it funny because ''the chosen one'' lost out for once and now the SC is an issue and unfair.

 

It's not a personal attack,not just an example about creating confusion.

Group 7, Interserie and CanAm were killed by the oil crisis, if you remember, nothing to do with public disaffection.

The races were in fact very popular, because they allowed enthusiasts to spectate at regional championships, instead of "once a year" GP.

But saying " it has always been like this since god knows how long" isn't helpful when so many aspects of F1 have been changed over the years.

F1 lives in a hi-tech age but the FIA is not using it to monitor basic issues as track limits or incident management.

We end up with erroneous decisions and paralysing races unnecessaily. You think it's OK ?

 

Ok or not isn't the question...the problem is there isn't a real solution.

Sometimes it goes with you, sometimes against you. It's a part of racing in the end.

We know what racing drivers are like, and it ended in total disaster 2014 Japanese GP. They will push it to the absolute limit and we'll simply end up with an SC again.

 

No. You are avoiding essential parts of the rules, as written. Are you doing it on purpose? If so, it's not fooling anyone

For the seventh time:

15.3 sections a) thru c) require the Race Director to act "in accordance with other Sporting Regulations".
15.3 sections d) and e) ... INCLUDING the "use of the safety car" ... do NOT require the Race Director to act "in accordance with other Sporting Regulations".

Will you EVER recognize this distinction? It's written right into the rules ... rules that you still continue to ignore

No rules were "broken" by the Race Director at Abu Dhabi. No rules were "changed" by the Race Director at Abu Dhabi. No rules were "created" by the Race Director at Abu Dhabi. Instead, rules were followed by the Race Director at Abu Dhabi ... just as the stewards ruled. Why did the stewards rule that way? Because the stewards READ and UNDERSTOOD the rules!

I may respond to you again, but certainly NOT until you recognize this clear distinction ... clearly and explicitly written into the rules.

 

"15.3 sections d) and e) ... INCLUDING the "use of the safety car" ... do NOT require the Race Director to act "in accordance with other Sporting Regulations"."

But as with all rules, should be used with sporting integrity and fairness for all teams.

Will you EVER recognize this distinction?

 

It's not really true. Not everybody contests Verstappen's win ( for the record, I don't), but many are incensed by the way it came about.

The finale of the world championship ending up in a farcical manner doesn't give much credibility to F1.

 

Did you miss the regulations that stats all decisions need to adhear to the fia sporting regulatrions, his decision wasnt fair, its not rocket science mate, i am sure your just a god dam troll, or really really dense. its one or the other.....

 

And now the personal attacks begin !!!

Why am i not surprised?

 

At the end of the day, it all boils down to this ^^

 

The thing you don't realize is even if he acted in the rules, to go against what was previuosly honored, consistant and predictable ( Masi himself stated all should unlap) because you have a personal desire too is crazy. Its considered a farce. If Masi put a precedent that in the future, only lapped cars between Lewis may unlap but lapped cars between Max always remain, would you support this ?

 

This is where hi-tech can help to monitor the speeds in the incident zone (with penalty for the culprits) and for the race to continue on the rest of the circuit.

Thus, the recovery crews could work in complete safety, but the race wouldn't be affected, and there would be no need to unlap any car !

FYI, my averson for safety cars didn't start at Abu Dhabi, but as soon as it was introduced in F1.

Brought in to "sanitize" racing, the safety car soon proved to be too influential in many races.

 

Your just being rude, if you can't stand a civilized discussion perhaps you shouldn't get into one. This is the f.1 section, better get a thick skin if you want to stick around!

 

This ^^ is a HUGE point. Listen to that radio

Hamilton desperately wanted to pit, before pit-entry, and Mercedes really did recognize their blunder (a couple seconds too late). Why? Because everyone knew the high odds that the race would end under green (for reasons discussed, pages ago).

(this all happened long before any decisions were made about unlapping)

The "green finish" was certainly not "unfair" to Mercedes ... and yet, they seem to be the only team lodging complaints. Wonder why?

 

I'm not in disagreement, but we have the SC and the VSC. Tecnically speaking, with the VSC (which does what you want it to do, allow for safe making of the track doing as little damage to the standing of the race). With the SC option still there, and we have seen this plenty already, there have at times been SC brought out when something easily could've been fixed under VSC, and the only logical explanation would've been to spice up the racing.

If the VSC works just as well, the answer then would be to completely get rid of the SC and only have VSC and red flag...and with red flag restart the race in the same order from the pitlane, the light timing the previous gap and going green for the next car.

But since Max benefitted from the field closing up here, Lewis then also benefitted (unfairly if we're sticking by this reasoning) in Imola, gaining back almost 2 laps.

 

Analyzing the other drivers/teams as well, they where all fully expected unlapping to happen.

So it's not like it was a total mystery.

Masi messed up in the sense that he did an unorthodox thing and only allowed some laps to unlap. Fine. But whether it was some cars or all cars unlapping, it made zero difference to the championship at the time.

Lewis lost the title in Baku, Monaco, Austria, Turkey (refusing to pit) , and even USA. People can take their pick. But to solely blame outside factors is beyond the pale. Mercedes refused to pit in the final stages and that's on them...

 

Let's not forget that pre-race agreement by all teams to end under green, if at all possible. Plus, the average safety car interval at Abu Dhabi (since 2010, but before 2021) is 3.2 laps. No one can tell me that the "Mercedes juggernaut" wasn't aware of this ... Hamilton was certainly aware, you can hear the desperation in his voice (long before any decisions about unlapping). Finally, Mercedes has long recognized the goal of unlapping, as getting only "the majority" of the field on the same lap.

Green finish? Certainly NO surprise to anyone at Mercedes with a brain!

All points from all races count the same, toward the championship

Agreed.

 

So if Masi only unlap cars in front of Hamilton in the future, do you support him?

 

"It's not fair! It's not fair!"

As if officiating was fair to Max during the season. These Hamilton apologists really have no bottom to their shame.

 

Hey mate, 7 day thread ban for personal attack.