The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

So much for the notions that Glickenhaus has nothing to prove, doesn't care one way or another if this car is the real deal, etc etc

He is STILL representing and parading this replica as authentic? Amazing.

 

???
How did it go again ?
"Do you really think B***n (eer, scratch that) Mr. Glickenhaus gives a flying flip what you think?"

 

I know you like to be an iconoclast. But, have you read every page in this thread? I have.

 

Wouldn't it be the honest thing to do ... or at least, a more reasonable thing to do ... if the placard/display at Amelia, were to contain a footnote ... at least a suggestion, maybe ... that the overwhelming evidence now points to this car being EXACTLY what it was sold as, and bought as?

 

Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.
I do find it funny/odd that so much energy and time is spent by (presumably) grown ups to beat this proverbial dead horse. And to what end ?
OTOH, there are lots of other strang(er) topics on this (alleged) automotive forum I don't get either.

 

Here’s the easy answer. I’m right.


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Oh, the irony in your sycophantic posts on this topic. You obviously don't see that you are the very type of person that has perpetuated this thread for nearly 20 years. Bleating absolute drivel with zero knowledge and research on the subject.

 

Just because you DON'T like him gives any more credence to your "Mr. Piper built it"

Mr. Piper hired Italians to build it....um, the agreement with Enzo was for ONE.
So, you guys continue to waste your day..

Sorry about your dog, Dale.

And the POINT is that Mr. G has legally BUILT the USA legal title to "Ferrari 0846".....
He could hang it on JRVs beloved Suzuki, for all it matters.

At this point the iron and the ID are two different things.

Anyone going to Sebring?
It's really close to Saint Patrick's Day but I'd love to see it this year..

 

Of course you're correct, Bubba.
Unfortunately for folks who don't know or don't know the difference, Jim is out there not following his own dictate about everything being disclosed.

 

Thanks, from you that means a lot......drive on!!!

 

I’ve seen enough DMV shenanigans over the years to make the POINT mostly meaningless. With a small amount of effort, I could title my 1954 BMW motorcycle as a Ferrari with serial number 0846. IOW, I suggest that DMV paperwork alone is nothing close to a vehicle’s ID. The car in question has what we called in college, a fake ID. The iron and the thoroughly outed ID that happens to match the original story are still there…regardless of what “id” is presented at the front door.

 

If you follow the whole journey, it's a little deeper that the NY DMV......the car can travel worldwide, unfettered by any threat from FerrariSpA of confiscation and destruction.

But, I do get your point.

But this car was also welcomed in Sicily.
We all have heard, that's a tough crowd.

 

I'm with the whole discussion, my rendering of #0846, by Jay Koka, is clearly print #003.


By my request!

He told me I am one of the few, that ordered it "full sze" to his original.
It was reduced for the FCA poster.

 

I spent many years traveling the world with equipment covered by a Carnet. They are hardly Passports. I give a Carnet less credence than a letter from the DMV. And the fact that Ferrari isn’t complaining or confiscating is a completely different subject.

 

All true, but the reason we’re taking about those anecdotal points being some sort of proof or evidence DP003 is actually 0846 is what the discussion has fallen back on since there’s not a shred of actual proof. Now it’s about reinforcing the lie… not substantiating the truth. Ultimately Ing. Forghieri says Jim’s car is a fake so I really don’t care how it’s registered by NYS anyhow.

 

That's your best shot? Glickenhaus got the car registered with the New York DMV?

 

The lie is being perpetuated in the latest edition of UK magazine EVO in an article about SCG 004S #001 (which is owned by Cici Muldoon, but I thought @johnhoughtaling was getting #001?) where it's stated that Mr G owns an example of a Ferrari P3/4.

 

Houghtaling is getting the first car in America.

 

But not with chassis #001 it seems, as it's already stated to be on Ms Muldoon's SCG 004S??? Is this a case where Mr Glickenhaus will have overpromised and underdelivered to Mr Houghtaling regarding him having chassis #001 on his SCG 004S? Does Mr Houghtaling need to dig out that email he saved from Mr Glickenhaus?

 

I don’t follow the SCG enterprise, but in the age of 17 digit VINs, isn’t there an opportunity for an “0000001” in each market for each model? A technicality, but…

 

Okay, I'm going to venture where only the stupid and foolish go.

Is this a fair statement of Mr. Glickenhaus's position?

I have wanted a P4 for a long time to complete my collection of Le Mans race cars. Because Mr. Stroll owned the only P4 in the world, and he wasn't selling, I decided to build a replica. To do so, I brought a replica chassis from Mr. David Piper. At the time I purchased this replica chassis, I did not think it was the remains of 0846. But after diving into the details, more and more evidence came to light that ultimately convinced me Mr. Piper had actually sold me the original 0846 chassis instead of a replica.

I'm being as objective as I can. Do you agree this is the essence of Mr. Glickenhaus's narrative? If not, where is it wrong?

 

He was right the first time with the following statement: I have wanted a P4 for a long time to complete my collection of Le Mans race cars. Because Mr. Stroll owned the only P4 in the world, and he wasn't selling, I decided to build a replica. To do so, I brought a replica chassis from Mr. David Piper. At the time I purchased this replica chassis, I did not think it was the remains of 0846.

However, he was wrong with the latter part: But after diving into the details, more and more evidence came to light that ultimately convinced me Mr. Piper had actually sold me the original 0846 chassis instead of a replica.

The evidence that came to light actually proves it is actually the replica chassis that he agreed to buy and bought, and does not match that of being Ferrari's #0846.

It is very easy for Mr Glickenhaus to know his chassis is not #0846, as if it really was #0846 it would it be the same in detail as the chassis on his 412 P #0854, which has a P3 chassis, but it is not the same, from the front to the back. He has always said it's a P3 chassis, but he is wrong, and its details are actually P4 in arrangement, not P3. You should read the thread from start to finish, but all the proof is in the links in this post here.

 

I might put it a bit softer that Steve, giving some leeway that JG may have thought early on that he had lucked into having the real remains of 0846 although that is not the basis of what he had willingly purchased from Piper. But, as time went on and JG's claims were scrutinized in detail here and by other recognized experts the evidence clearly disproved the assertion made by JG.

 

I’m going somewhere with this, but I wanted to get the predicate right. Glickenhaus knowingly purchased a reproduction chassis from Piper. (If memory serves me, which it normally doesn’t, he brought 0003.) From what I recall Glickenhaus paid north of $500,000 for the chassis. The story begins thus with Glickenhaus buying and Piper selling a reproduction chassis.

The 0846 twist comes later.

Correct?


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You are correct.