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RM auction in Paris 2/22022

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  1. awohlmann

    awohlmann Karting

    Jul 6, 2008
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    Hellow all,
    unfortunately I missed the auction in Paris on 2.2.2022.
    Someone who can tell me the highest bid of lot 219 - the red Ghibli spyder?
    Thanks
    Alfred
     
  2. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ

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    In two seconds online you can find out that it did not sell.
    All Ghibli Spyder owners are unrealistic price wise now....I had an old French CEO offer me his two months ago...he overpaid at the peak of the market and won't smell the coffee...refused to be realistic... I told him no go, it is now with a Paris dealer...who will wait a year or two till he becomes realistic.

    How long have you tried to sell yours? Several years I think....
    I am not being rude Alfred, just trying to help.
    I wish you good luck.
     
  3. awohlmann

    awohlmann Karting

    Jul 6, 2008
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    Hello Marc,
    I know the car did not sell, but I would like to know what was the highest bid?
     
  4. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ

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    Always hard to know if a bid was genuine or chandelier...
     
  5. thecarnut

    thecarnut F1 Rookie
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    As Marc said, even if you know the highest bid that does not tell you were the real money was on this car. Since it is still for sale you can ask RM for the asking price (not sure why they keep that secret). That would give you an indication as to the reverse the owner was willing to accept. Again, this does not mean that is the value in today's market.

    Ivan
     
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  6. Froggie

    Froggie Formula Junior

    Sep 27, 2017
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    I looked at the auction live.
    The highest bid (without premium) was 520.000 Euros, while the estimate range was 580.000 - 700.000 Euros.
    So not far from the minimum.
    Maybe will be sold to the highest bidder (if real) after private negotiations
     
  7. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
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    Mar 4, 2005
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    Alfred, it was a chandelier bidding! Not real!
    I knew this car quite well as it was owned by a former member of The German Maserati Club who passed away. The car was "auctioned" by a lawyer and then "nut-and-bold" restored...
    Although original in red/bllack its not the best color combination of any Ghibli, no matter if coupé or spyder.
    I sold a -better- 4.7-Spyder for significantly more money in Nov. 2021 and a rare 4.9-car for a lttle over 1.0 Million € some years ago (those were the days...:rolleyes:).
     
  8. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
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    High bid is at best an indication of the reserve, or reserve minus consignor's commission.
     
  9. 67bmer

    67bmer F1 Rookie
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    I forget who said it, possibly Wayne Carini:

    "Every car has two prices, what the owner wants and what someone is willing to pay."

    It's only when the latter exceeds the former that a transaction occurs. It's not uncommon for one or both to have unrealistic expectations.
     
  10. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ

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    CF my post #2.

    Sometimes a seller has to stew for years until his unrealistic expectations deflate like a balloon...in thirty years of brokering cars more or less actively I have come across this on countless occasions...I recall when a client of mine finally faced reality and accepted an offer...then ordered a whisky...at ten in the morning!...to alleviate the pain.

    As one of the top UK brokers told me, some owners will never accept reality. The problem now of course is those who have 2015 peak market figures stuck in their minds.
     

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