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My 360 story

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  1. No-Subt2

    No-Subt2 Karting

    May 6, 2019
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    Pictures 4 and 5 are of the catalytic converters. The factory manifolds for your model year has pre-cats. The pre-cats and catalytic converters are different. These pre-cats are known to fail/disintegrate where those loose pieces can get in the engine. You will need to take a borescope to each manifold and inspect to see how those pre-cats are doing. If you see that bits are missing or show signs of coming apart, you should replace those manifolds with aftermarket manifolds that do not have the pre-cats. I have been told by my trustful mechanic that it is not a question of if it may happen but when it will happen.
     
  2. No-Subt2

    No-Subt2 Karting

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    And since your 360 is a 2003 model year and I presume is a US spec, your manifolds will have pre-cats. Search and you should be able to find more information on this.
     
  3. 67bmer

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    Finally! We will be ready for the upcoming season... We got running today. My 10 sec video too big to post.

    The vacuum fill with air compressor tools are so cool! Once you pull vacuum, you mix your coolant and while doing so will know if you have any leaks prior to filling if you still have vacuum or not.

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  4. 67bmer

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    When I first started, the oil pressure was about 70psi. Once the coolant was warm and the oil warming, the oil pressure seemed to drop to about 15psi! should I be alarmed about this? I never really noticed before...

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  5. SRLC716

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    Not at all. When my oil is up to temp, I run about 15-18 psi at idle.


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  6. Reddesire348

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    I agree I had and loved a 348ts and always described it as a 300hp Go kart. I now have a 2004 gated 360 Spider and oohhh wow the difference is amazing in all area's. This one I will never sell
     
  7. 67bmer

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    wow, your car is shining new , judged by the color of your exhaust siliencer box
     
  9. 67bmer

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    The following summarizes my overall cost of a MAJOR major service on a 360 Modena doing all the work yourself. There is a tremendous amount of work to do the work! You can certainly see why these service costs are not insignificant on these cars in addition to the cost of the parts. Overall, I enjoyed most of it! The hard parts that I expected, for the most part, were not as hard as I anticipated. There were a few surprisingly hard parts but not un-doable. On the other hand, if you do not enjoy it or have the desire then don’t do it.

    Remove undertrays (rear + front)
    Remove rear bumper
    Remove rear grill

    Remove engine panels
    Remove air induction
    Remove support frame
    Remove exhaust + catalytic converters
    Remove interior and access panel

    Drain coolant
    Drain engine oil
    Drain transaxle oil

    Since the throwout bearing failed I decided to replace the clutch disk and resurface the flywheel. “While I was there” I replaced the rear seal and re-machined the housing flat. I also replaced the throwout bearing studs with Hill Engineering parts since I had to cut the old ones. “While I was there” I also replace the transmission seal. At 40,000 miles and 20 years, it seemed like a small amount of effort and cost.

    It appears that around 2010 the original clutch was replaced.

    I discovered I had very little slip torque, so I removed the LSD and rebuilt it with brand new disks and clutches. This allowed me to clean, flush, and inspect the gearing. Since the differential gears looked really good, I did not disassemble the transmission. I just flushed it several times with mineral spirits and put the LSD back in.

    Tensioner bearings from Hill Engineering come with the major service kit. One was actually in good shape; the other was on the verge of failing! The seal was gone and the balls were running rough. I decided to replace the hydraulic tensioners since my car was 20 years old and updated my bracket for the newer style on the driver’s side.

    I discovered play in the water pump shaft and decided to replace the pump. The module had to come out anyways since the power steering reservoir started to leak from the hose. I replaced the crimp clamp with a new one and eliminated that leak.

    I replace the cam cover gaskets that come with the kit. The ONLY thing I did not do was replace the cam seals. I did not see the point in removing the cams from the engine. If they begin to leak, I can always do that on the next belt change.

    I replace all belts and tensioned them with the iPhone harmonic app to get the proper tension. I think that with my habits, etc. I will probably look at replacing the timing belts in 5 years and the next owner will just have to deal with my “negligence”! The belts I removed were 10 years and possibly 20k ish miles.

    I did a significant amount of cleaning, detailing, and spiffing up things that were “neglected”. Re-painting metal pipes, air intakes, replacing many rubber hoses, etc. I discovered that 3 of 4 coils were cracked on the driver's side and replaced all coils with Bosch coils I bought from an eBay seller in the UK. They arrived in 3 days or so. I also decided to powder coat the manifold cover in wrinkle red and the support frame in silver. All the taillights and markers were wet sanded and refinished.

    The catalytic converter screws were replaced with titanium screws.

    Approximate parts costs:

    Clutch disk + throwout bearing replacement, Hill parts, and block: $2860

    LSD clutches and disks $1090

    Major service kit + tensioners, gaskets, etc. $2440

    Water pump + manifold gaskets, etc. $430

    Coils from eBay: $330

    Titanium screws from eBay: $35

    Exhaust gaskets: $115

    Powder coating: $320

    Misc. nuts, screws, bolts, clamps from BelMetric: $185

    Engine oil: $105
    Transaxle oil: $60
    Power steering fluid: $25
    Zerez G-05: $45
    Oil filter wrench: $40

    TOTAL: $8100

    I had always planned on doing a major service in 2021 and was expecting approx. $3000 in parts costs. Having to replace the clutch and LSD was quite an unexpected surprise.

    Overall, they are easy cars to work on and some of the hardest parts were surprising!
    Getting the crankshaft pulley off (not that surprising)
    Getting the accessory belts on
    Cam cover gasket replacement
    Replacing transmission upper mount (not that surprising)
    Getting support frame back in without scratching anything

    Some special/modified tools are required/to make life easier:
    Cam locks
    Crank pulley socket
    Seal installing adapters for arbor press
    Transmission support bushing puller/installer
    Oil filter wrench
     
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  10. cavlino

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    @67bmer Amazing write up! Thanks for sharing.
     

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