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Ferrari 400/412 K Jetronic Metering Head Rebuild (Myths and Advice)

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  1. 360modena2003

    360modena2003 Formula 3

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    I started rebuilding my K Jetronic metering heads and had a long and detailed conversation with one of the suppliers of the rebuild kits (they have been doing this since 1993 and supply dealers all over the world, including Germany).

    Their kits include new springs and the port screws o-rings, which should (must) also be replaced.

    What was explained to me under no uncertain terms is that ALL screws must me at the same (or similar) adjustment. Bosch allows up to 10% variances.

    And yes, the springs and ceramic plates can all be used indiscriminately. It does not matter from which port they are, they are (or should be) the same.

    It is a wives tale and old man's bar room chatter (added for the gender sensitive) that "each cylinder is adjusted individually", the fact that is it impossible (on virtually every car) to know what exact air/fuel mixture of each cylinder is.

    In fact, up until recently, with direct injection, no fuel system would adjust for each cylinder individually (o2 sensors measure entire banks, or even in some cases the entire engine).

    Note: The individual plugs on the exhaust manifolds of our 400/412 are used for trouble shooting, not for air fuel mixture adjustment.

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  2. SouthJersey400i

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    Thanks for starting the post. I'll be watching. Who is the kit supplier? Link.
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  3. raemin

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    Here are a few pics I took when I did mine.

    • Photo 1 : you can see I placed some dots on the individual ports in order to identify which is which
    • Photo 2 : I had to prey out the safety "washer" (sorry do not know the term in English), as this one was not supplied in my kit, this required a bit of care
    • Photo 3 : a heat gun made the separation between top and bottom much more easy
    • Photo 4 & 5 : I decided to "preserve the settings". So I placed the original springs and cups in clearly identified plastic bags, in order to put everything back in its original position.
    • Photo 7 & 8 : removing the plunger did require some persuasion
    • Photo 9 : checking the slotted openings for any impurities
    • Photo 10 & 11 : needed an exacto knife in order to remove the large o-rings
    • Photo 14 : in order to keep in place the small o-rings I re-used on of the old large o-ring.
    • Photo 16 & 17 & 18 : my savox kit was not properly aligned, I had to punch an additional hole.
    All in all the Savox kit is far from perfect, but it does work. Also this is the only kit that is listed as "ethanol compliant". Maybe alternate source could be less troublesome.

    When I tested the rebuilt unit, I could collect ~24g (+/-1g) of gasoline on each injector which seemed good enough for me.
     

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  4. raemin

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    Got to disagree on that, the turbo 911 had to be adjusted individually: after a few run, they remove the manifold and tweak the settings depending on how "white" the manifold is. You could further ask about this on the rennlist forum.

    Our cars do have ports for individual probes on the manifolds. These have been installed for good reason.
     
  5. SouthJersey400i

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    Thanks for source / link. I hope I never need it but it would be a nice winter job.
     
  6. 360modena2003

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    Hello,

    unfortunately this is just a myth that has been repeated many times over. The K-Jetronic and KE-Jetronic systems are used in thousands of applications, and those with any type of air/fuel mixture adjustment are based on the entire engine/bank mixture, not individual cylinders.

    Bosch manuals clearly state that the metering head has to delivery a "uniform" amount of fuel to all injectors.

    Another very clear indication is the fuel delivery test as prescribed by the Bosch manual; referred to as "comparative measurement of fuel".

    This test is done to verify that the amount of fuel across all ports is as uniform as possible; Bosch specially made a tester for this purpose, KDJE 7451.

    The entire testing procedure is based on trying to get as "uniform" amounts as possible.

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    - if adjustment per "cylinders" were done, it would completely invalidate and render this test useless.

    Finally, the "individual bosses" in the exhaust are used for trouble shooting, and not individual air/fuel mixture of each cylinder.

    From Ferrari/Bosch handbook:

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  8. 360modena2003

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    These (adjustment) screws, "Einstellschrauben" in German, press against the steel hats, which hold the spring.

    From what I understand, the further "in" the screws are adjusted, the richer the mixture - I assume this is due to greater force being directed onto the spring, and as a consequence onto the diaphragm.

    Of course the individual ports/screws are adjustable, this is why they are there, but from what I gather the aim is to try to get a "uniform" amount of fuel to all cylinders.




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  9. 360modena2003

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    I just spoke with another K Jet specialist, and again it was confirmed: The port adjustment screws only purpose is to ensure even and uniform delivery at the injectors.

    When the screw is turned in (again, here the same principle as the idle adjustment screw on the air-flow sensor: RIGHT = Rich, LEFT = Lean.), the amount of fuel reaching the port is increased.

    Below you can see the "differential-pressure valve", which is another name for the diaphragm, and how additional pressure on the spring "opens" up the flow to the port. The first image you will see that the diaphragm is "flatter", and therefore less distance/space between the diaphragm and the fuel injection "line" (#3 in the last figure).

    When the "hat" is pressed "down", it acts on the spring/ceramic plate and bends the diaphragm down, creating more space, and thus more fuel flow (see second figure).
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    The way to adjust these is to measure the amount of fuel delivered by each injector and then adjust them accordingly, not difficult to do.

    This is the my first "incursion" into K Jet systems, so I am learning as I go!

    I am happy to hear suggestions and the my purpose is to share my experiences and understanding to help others keep our wonderful cars running.
     
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  14. raemin

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    These parts are spotless and the diaphragm did not exhibit any "ethanol" hole. in other words, this metering head was in perfect working conditions. Just make your best at not making it worse than it was before :) .

    You may have to punch a bigger hole (as I did on mine): the diaphragm as pictured in the kit does have a restriction compared to the hole I can see at 11 o'clock on your first photo.

    Is your kit ethanol compliant?
     
  15. 360modena2003

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    I actually cleaned them, but they were quite good already.

    Yes, the kit is made from Viton and therefore ethanol resistant.

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    I removed the top banjo bolts and counted the number of turns of each of the hat adjustment screws.

    They varied between 2 and 3/4 and 4 turns.

    This was more out of curiosity as each one will get adjusted by measuring the flow at each individual injector, it will give me a baseline to start with.

    I wonder how these were done originally at the factory...

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  18. 360modena2003

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    I am about to finally receive the rebuild kit for the metering heads.

    The adjustment screws have all been remove and the o-rings will be replaced.

    Contrary to all the folklore, the adjustment is very straightforward.

    Before I removed them, I counted how many turns "in" (clockwise) they were set at.

    Another way is to measure the depth, but this can have more variances as it depends from where on the port opening you take the measurement.

    In any case, this is only a starting point, baseline adjustment, as the exact adjustment will be done once the metering head is mounted on the flow sensor, injectors and fuel pump connected.

    Then the process is the following:

    1. With all the injectors connected, place each one in a separate container.

    2. Measure fuel pressure (5.2 to 5.8 bar) and quantity (minium 850 cm3 per 30 sec) at the return line.

    3. Once you know for sure you have sufficient flow and pressure you are ready to set the adjustment screws for each individual port and injector. Here the same applies as the CO adjustment:

    Turn to the right =RICH
    Turn to the left = LEAN

    TBC ...

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  20. 360modena2003

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    Here is an example on how the test measurement is done a a Gold K-Jetronic (same principle):

     
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    360modena2003 Formula 3

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    And here how the adjustment is done for each individual port:

     
  22. 360modena2003

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    #23 360modena2003, Feb 19, 2022
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    As per Bosch, up a 10% difference between each injector is "within spec" and permissible.

    Also useful to know is that 2 full turns of the adjustment screws would result in approximately a 10% difference, so that the adjustment that can be achieved is very limited.

    In my case, the differences between each individual port were from 2.5 and 4 turns (so it would mean less than 2 turns and within the 10% tolerance).

    The question remains if each injector was individually measured and set intentionally or just "good enough" when assembled at the factory; my judgement has me thinking the latter.

    I don't believe at all that they took the time to measure the CO values at each individual exhaust port - the manuals state very clearly that the inspection plugs on the exhaust manifold were used to trace "faults" (not for air/fuel adjustment).
     
  23. Steve Magnusson

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    #24 Steve Magnusson, Feb 19, 2022
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    I believe that they are just trying to show that the maximum difference, at any of the very high fuel flow rates, should be ~9.2% (note that they are all about the same percentage difference) -- listing it in a table like that is a way to not rely on the Mechanic doing some math. It also indicates that all air-flow sensor plate/fuel distributor combinations do not have the same maximum fuel flow rate at the maximum air-flow plate deflection (because engine designs have different max RPM, max fuel required specifications).
     
  24. raemin

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    Fuel load depends on the type of injector used.

    The original porsche turbo injector where the ones with the highest flow, but the ref is now hard to find. That's not a real issue for us as we do have twice more injectors...
     

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