The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

Again, he is driving this car on public roads with real speed limits and I doubt that he is driving around like a man possessed. These tyres are fine to use and the fact that he has many miles on this car with those types of tyres is proof. Maybe you can use whatever tyre takes your fancy when you get around to owning one. Any opportunity to criticise JG taken though as per...

 

You never did come back to me regarding the above. As I answered and quoted Ing. Forgieri's email in full, how about you now fulfilling your side regarding JG's statement?

 

By your reasoning all high performance cars used on public roads only need S rated tyres. Imagine that! Ridiculous!

You don't see proper cars like 0850 and 0856 shown at concours events with S rated BF Goodrich T/A Radials. They have the correct Firestone tyres on them. Just shows the difference and the correct extent some people go, and then others that do not doesn't it?

 

JG puts miles on his on public roads with real speed limits. How many miles are 0850 and 0856 doing on public roads again? Once again, the reality is a 71 year old man driving on public roads, probably fairly sensibly. That is NOT the reality of many 'high performance cars' nor owners. Put whatever tyres YOU want on YOUR P car, though I hope nobody is petty enough to criticise you on a forum for it because they have some odd obsession with you...

 

I have no odd obsession with JG, though he clearly has an obsession of passing this proven fake off as the real thing, and attempting to distort Ferrari history.

 

I assume you need high speed tires for loading and off loading these cars from trailers. They can get pushed around pretty quickly. The tires on them are probably old and wouldn't stand up to much driving at all. If they are being driven as intended, then yes, highs speed tires are prudent. If on public roads, no, not needed and JG is being prudent with his speed. You are coming off as petty and vindictive now. "Make the bad man stop!" You have made whatever point you wanted, move on.

Perry

 

Lol!

 

Most of us agree that Steve has convincingly made his point. Let's all give it a rest gents.

 

I confirm 0844 has now completed Classiche. I just received notification from Ferrari. https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/magazine/articles/back-to-glory?UID=23010234913&dmc_uid=23010234913&utm_campaign=New_Ferrari&utm_medium=email&MID=3900177807&utm_content=220224+TOFM+EN+%28mondo+GT+EN+-+Febbraio%29&utm_source=newsletter

 

The car is being worked on in the footage you posted. Not driven, not being shown at a concours, but worked on in a garage. That is all the image shows. I personally saw the period correct tires for all his historic cars stored in piles at Glickenhaus' garage when I went to visit. He has the "correct" show tires and it would stand to reason that they will be put on if he so chooses. These posts where you are talking about safety and the owner's supposed intent or oversight scream character assassination. I think you do better when you stick to the facts without judgement, hard as it may be.

 

412 P 0854 and the "Fake 0846/DP003" have NEVER been shown by Mr Glickenhaus with the "correct" Firestone tyres, and he has always showed both cars at events with incorrect AVON tyres. Examples of which are when "Fake 0846/DP003" was on display at the Museum of Turin it had the Avon tyres, as did 412 P 0854 at Pebble Beach.

Correct tyres for the 1967 P3/412 P, 412 P and 330 P4s were Firestone and Goodyear. The real 330 P3/P4 0846 and 412 P 0854 were shod with Firestone tyres in 1967.

You see I always check my facts, whereas you and your like such as @GBTR6 and @ginge82 do not, in your attempted character assassination of me.

Prove me wrong.

P3/412 P 0844 in bare metal at Ferrari with the correct Goodyear tyres.
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P3/412 P 0844 at Ferrari. Picture copyright Adam Towler.
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Jeez, he can do what he wants. I suppose the air in them needs to be from 1967 too? He DRIVES his. The others?

Perry

 

Personally, i have no problem with miurasv continuing to point out all the many, many ways that this replica fails to match an authentic 330 P car. I learn much more from his posts, than most any other posts in this thread.

Everyone else is certainly more than welcome to continue to ignore, or dismiss, the information ... doesn't mean he should stop posting, right?

 

I don't 'check my facts' ? Lol! I pointed out that JG is free to use any tyre that he deems fit on HIS car and would know FAR better than you if they are suitable for driving on real roads with real speed limits. FACTS. I also stated that you are free to use whatever tyre you deem fit on your P car if you ever own one. FACTS.

You obsession with JG has melted your brain. Your conduct in the past across numerous sites speaks for itself. FACTS.

Any excuse to criticise him though, eh?

 

We are commenting on a video that Mr Glickenhaus has released to the world for public consumption on Instagram regarding the little details that he finds interesting, and he has stated prove the chassis is real. I will comment what I like regarding the TRUTH of those little details. The FACTS are that the little details prove the car is a fake. Authentic tyres are essential little details that make the up the car. Would a Fiat 500 engine in the car be acceptable to you, as Mr Glickenhaus is a 71 year old man and will be abiding by the speed limits, not exceeding 55 mph, therefore the correct full power engine will not be needed in those circumstances?

No, I do not have an obsession with JG, as you state. I am merely pointing out the TRUE FACTS of the matter.

My past conduct has been one of pointing out the truth, after thoroughly researching the matter, and being able to back up what I say with photographic evidence comparing the real chassis and engine to the fake chassis and 3 litre 312 F1 engine plus the many incorrect ancillaries such as the oil cooler. What have you contributed? Nothing! You and your like never do.

He will be showing this fake car AGAIN and presenting it at Amelia Island as the real Ferrari 330 P3/4 0846, the winner of the 1967 24 Hours of Daytona, driven by Chris Amon and Lorenzo Bandini, as he presents it everywhere else, as we see in this latest video, which is one of many. He is lying and deceiving the world with this "0846" nonsense.

I do find it very strange that people like you find this acceptable, and take this nonsense in. I do not, and I never will.

 

Again, JG can use whatever tyres he so wishes and is far more qualified than you to determine if they are suitable to use on real roads with real speed limits. He appears to have put many miles on these types of cars. How many miles have YOU put on these types of cars to have any real opinion? Lol.

If you don't like that, put whatever tyre you want on your P car...

 

Clearly Mr Glickenhaus does not know more than me regarding Ferrari P3s, 412Ps and P4s. Owning real 0854 and a fake P4 does not make him an expert in the subject. In fact he has shown a lack of expertise in 0854's restoration and has demonstrated extremely poor knowledge in how a P3 compares to a P4.

 

As an 'armchair expert' I'm sure the restoration of your P cars will be faultless and I'm sure you will put the period correct tyres on you P cars at all times. Enjoy those miles behind the wheel. Happy motoring!

 

Well it appears that even an "armchair expert" like me is more expert than Mr Glickenhaus regarding his cars. Also regarding the tyres Mr Glickenhaus has been driving around on public roads in his fake P4 and 0854, the Avon tyres are absolutely ancient and unsafe, so he again is showing no understanding whatsoever regarding tyre technology, his safety and safety to other road users.

 

Whilst you are in an armchair, JG has actually been out putting many miles on these types of cars. Real roads, real miles. I trust the expertise of those that get out and actually drive these things than the words of people in armchairs who NEVER do and are far too busy grinding axes using google search as a replacement for actual knowledge :0)

 

The man is a danger to himself and other road users using those ancient unsafe Avon tyres. But he's only been driving within the speed limits hasn't he , so how can he know how a Ferrari Prototype really drives?

I'd be very careful and reconsider who you deem to be an expert if I was you.

 

Your rudeness is beyond bounds, and your criticism of 0854’s restoration is unjustified and proves your personal vendetta.

Paul M

 

Just sour grapes from you as you were proved wrong and humiliated regarding DP003 being 0846.

 

That’s like asking Steven Hawkings how much space travel he’s done to form his qualified opinion as if Jeff Bezos flying in space means anything.